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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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I said silly, not stupid. No insult implied -- we all sometimes ask "wrong" questions. Clinton actually was the better choice; in fact, technically one of the most qualified candidates in history (trained lawyer, 8 years in the white house next to the president, a stint as US senator and then as secretary of state). Versus a reality teevee "billionaire" with a long track record of (likely) criminal behavior and clear…

> Clinton actually was the better choice; in fact, technically one of the most qualified candidates in history Personally speaking, I did not like how she and her colluders ran down the Sanders campaign. Their characterization of his supporters as sexists and racist was fundamentally, profoundly dishonest. They could have addressed his policy proposals, but went the other way. This led me to understand that this woul…

I was pissed when the DNC conspired against Sanders. I also think that her politics were of "hold finger in the air to see which way the wind blows" (the antithesis of Sanders).

She's also a hawk and too chummy with our corporate overlords.

But in the general election not voting for the lesser candidate is effectively voting for the worse candidate (unless done after one's state has been decided).

As for worst, your choice is understandable and I'm not going to directly contest it. At least Bush was somebody I'd enjoy having a beer with ;-)

And as to the introspection I think a problem with that is that the military is deified and the masses get angry when you diss the troops. Plus ye olde Military Industrial Complex locks in all districts for their share of the loot.

Dems suck at messaging, unlike the Right. People in general don't seem to care enough and only want soundbites, which makes it hard to have those discussions because nuance gets lost.

Not sure about the tentacles thing.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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> Clinton actually was the better choice; in fact, technically one of the most qualified candidates in history Personally speaking, I did not like how she and her colluders ran down the Sanders campaign. Their characterization of his supporters as sexists and racist was fundamentally, profoundly dishonest. They could have addressed his policy proposals, but went the other way. This led me to understand that this woul…

I was pissed when the DNC conspired against Sanders. I also think that her politics were of "hold finger in the air to see which way the wind blows" (the antithesis of Sanders). She's also a hawk and too chummy with our corporate overlords. But in the general election not voting for the lesser candidate is effectively voting for the worse candidate (unless done after one's state has been decided). As for worst, your…

The government has broken its social contract with the people, and it has become an extractive kleptocracy. This happened starting with Reagan, Bush the Elder, Clinton, Bush the Younger, and yes, Obama. None of these people - nor anyone in Congress - made it better. Not the Republicans, not the Democrats.

Trump? Not him either. I tell you, pstuart, Trump was a Hail Mary pass by people who have had everything taken from them by Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, and from their perspective they saw only obstruction and lies from the same people who have nothing but contempt for them. And that quiet part out loud? I see plenty of evidence to support that as a theme (and why I asked about your faith). People like yourself, unfortunately. They knew - knew it after decades of betrayal - that their situation would absolutely not have changed under Clinton 2.0 and certainly will not under Biden.

These are the people who voted for Trump. Look at them. Really look past your coastal prejudices. Look past what you have been told about these people. If you get squicked, or believe somehow they deserve this, you are not on the side of compassion, to be honest. https://youtu.be/oT7_8S5K9oA?t=834

So, you keep saying I have selective outrage, but then you hammer on Trump and co but give Biden a pass. Me, I give neither a pass. They're both assholes. The same corporate media that's telling you that Trump is bad is also telling you Biden is good.

And you do your "gut check" media discrimination. I'll give you a quick smoke test to see whether a media outlet lies. You won't like it, you won't believe me, and if you decide that I'm correct anyway, you'll dismiss its importance, but here goes: If you look back into the archives of a news source, and they said that Trump called Mexicans rapists, then you know they are liars and they lie about other things.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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> indicating that they probably limited it a lot. That's not the case. The FBI spoke to Zuckerberg prior to the phony laptop story dropping! Facebook thought the story looked suspicious (because it is) which is why they chose not to amplify it. Please read the article, specifically this comment is illuminating: `He said the FBI did not warn Facebook about the Biden story in particular - only that Facebook thought it…

> the phony laptop story > the story looked suspicious (because it is) I’d love to hear this side of it. > they chose not to amplify it do you see a problem with this?

> I’d love to hear this side of it.

RudyG finds a laptop of unknown provenance, riddled with likely to be stolen data, claiming to be owned by his boss' chief political rival's failson? The claim Rudy and co make is that the laptop proves Joe Biden corruptly forced Ukraine to fire someone to protect Hunter Biden's interests.

It seems phony as hell because we know:

1. That prosecutor Biden lobbied Ukraine to fire was known to be corrupt 2. Biden was executing Obama's foreign policy with respect to pushing Ukraine here, not his own 3. Other members of the international community had a stated policy of removing the same corrupt prosecutor

Given all that, Rudy's claims just don't hold up. That's ignoring other things we know, like some emails and other data on the device in question were modified after it came into the possession of the store owner. And the fact that the store owner says that things that have reportedly been found on the laptop don't match things he found on it.

> do you see a problem with this?

No–I think not promoting a story that is likely to be false should be the default. Why should Facebook promote any story? Especially ones that follow the fake news pattern of disinformation that has become so pervasive in the era of trumpism.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Or maybe people just don't care about some people and they aren't popular

Given the blatant corruption on display from one party on a near daily basis, buying votes with tax payer money and sicking the FBI on their political enemies? Yea sure, it’s got nothing to do with being on the wrong side. “we must win at any and all costs”

This comment applies to the GOP but based on your other comments here it seems like you think it applies more to the Democratic party, am I understanding that correctly?

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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> This is nonsense. Why? There are laws about classified material, and they apply to former Presidents. > Trump can pack and keep things...Trump can take what he wants You're contradicting yourself. Either Trump violated laws or he didn't. Before you said he did. But here you're saying he didn't. Which is it? If he's in violation of the law now, then he was in violation of the law when he took the stuff in the first…

>Why? There are laws about classified material, and they apply to former Presidents. Ah, I see, you're naive enough to think that the Secret Service (or any LEO) are crime-preventers instead of crime-janitors. What an interesting world you think we live in. There are laws, they do apply, and this 20-month process culminating in a search warrant and future indictment is that legal process. And the secret service, as c…

Most of your post is not even worth responding to. But I'll take a few stabs:

> Your defense of the indefensible is pathetic.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that I am defending Trump. I can only attribute this to poor reading comprehension, since I explicitly said that I have no problem with prosecuting people who violate the law.

I am simply pointing out that the fact that Trump was wrong (if he was--it looks like a court will end up deciding that) does not make the establishment right. Apparently you are naive enough to think that the only reason the establishment ever trumpets this kind of pursuit of a person is that they are faultless champions of law and justice. What an interesting world you think we live in.

> If you had the intellectualism to match your insults, you would have simply said the 4 year Presidency that was obviously worse.

If you had the historical knowledge to match your supercilious smugness, you would not need me to tell you. But since you ask (and leaving out the current administration, since I did say "history", although I think the current administration has already done worse things that the Trump administration did, the Afghanistan debacle being just one example, and it hasn't even been in office two years yet), here are just a few. I'll limit myself to just the 20th century, but there are good examples in the 19th as well (if you're looking for the true golden age of kleptocracy in the US government, the latter half of the 19th century is the place to go).

Nixon (not just Watergate, but private fantasies about nuking the Soviets, to the point where, as we now know from their memoirs, high level officials on his staff were telling everyone not to act on orders from Nixon without running it by the staff first)

Johnson (mired us in Vietnam; at least he had the decency not to run for another term)

FDR (so many things here that it would take many books to unpack them, and has, but just for starters, WW II was supposedly fought to liberate Eastern Europe from a tyrannical dictator, Hitler; yet at the end of WW II, Eastern Europe was in the hands of a much worse tyrannical dictator, Stalin, and that happened because FDR persistently sucked up to Stalin)

Wilson ("he kept us out of war" until he got us into it, and then he completely screwed up the peace, setting the stage for Nazi Germany)

Sure, none of these Presidents had, as Trump has, both the attention span and the temperament of a six year old (although Nixon often came close, and Johnson had some moments too), and they all played by the establishment's rules when doing things like talking to the press, as Trump did not. But so what? All of the things I've referred to above were worse than anything Trump did.

> I have posted deep sourcing for the facts I stated here

Apparently you are naive enough to think that the media never lies to you. What an interesting world you think we live in.

> I think this is just a very angry young person

I'll cop to "angry", sure; what person who truly believed in America's ideals wouldn't be at this point? But as for "young", I'm old enough to remember the Nixon administration. Are you?

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Do you believe, honestly, that Hunter Biden did anything even remotely equivalent to Trump, his children, and Jared Kushner?

Do you find you have a lot trouble tracking conversations?

Not really, does it make you feel good to be a jerk online to people?

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Was it? Was it because it was intentionally 'manufactured' to genocide 'political opponents' that the Soviet state ordered food rationing EVERYWHERE else in order to be able to help Ukraine. So much that the people in Leningrad and Moscow ate less than people in Ukraine during the period? Which we know beyond any doubt because the records of who was given how many grams of what type of food during the rationing is st…

> Holodomor became a thing when the 1930s Rupert Murdoch started doing propaganda on behalf of Nazi Germany after signing a deal (for $500,000 dollars). Back then propaganda was not a dirty word, and it was business. If you're speaking of Keith Rupert Murdoch the man who was born in 1931 and owns News Corp, I ask how does a person who's not even in their teens start doing propaganda on behalf of Nazi Germany?.

"1930s Rupert Murdoch". Hearst.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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I think I take issue with the word “censorship”. Is it really censorship if free speech was never guaranteed in the first place? I mean less the denotative definition and more the connotative definition.

Fine, use another word then. The FBI interfered in an election, call it censorship or not. That's the issue, not the specific semantics you're worried about.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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So Facebook didn't censor anything? He didn't admit censoring and the story wasn't censored. Nobody had their posts about it taken down and nobody was prevented from discussing it. Facebook just didn't disseminate the story, they prevented their feeds from selecting it and showing it. Isn't that what everyone wants? Except that they do that with all stories and have no algorithms at all? It's not censorship though so…

The FBI interfered in an election and apparently you want to discuss whether censorship is the right word to use or not. Of course it's completely irrelevant whether what happened qualifies as censorship or not.

The issue is a supposedly neutral government agent very likely swayed a free election by "suggesting" to a private company it'd be a good idea to alter the information citizens are exposed to.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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post #724

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Given the blatant corruption on display from one party on a near daily basis, buying votes with tax payer money and sicking the FBI on their political enemies? Yea sure, it’s got nothing to do with being on the wrong side. “we must win at any and all costs”

This comment applies to the GOP but based on your other comments here it seems like you think it applies more to the Democratic party, am I understanding that correctly?

Yes, the left. Yet I know the left will never admit to their problems. And for the record I’m a right leaning independent.
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