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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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>You're missing the point: the documents should never have left the White House in the first place. Whoever was supposed to check that screwed up. If they're going to throw the book at Trump for keeping them instead of giving them back, they should also be throwing the book at whoever screwed up by letting them out of the White House in the first place. And the Biden administration should have some explaining to do a…

> This is nonsense. Why? There are laws about classified material, and they apply to former Presidents. > Trump can pack and keep things...Trump can take what he wants You're contradicting yourself. Either Trump violated laws or he didn't. Before you said he did. But here you're saying he didn't. Which is it? If he's in violation of the law now, then he was in violation of the law when he took the stuff in the first…

>Why? There are laws about classified material, and they apply to former Presidents.

Ah, I see, you're naive enough to think that the Secret Service (or any LEO) are crime-preventers instead of crime-janitors. What an interesting world you think we live in. There are laws, they do apply, and this 20-month process culminating in a search warrant and future indictment is that legal process. And the secret service, as crime-janitors, likely did give testimony to a grand jury.

>You're contradicting yourself. Either Trump violated laws or he didn't

No I'm not. Trump can pack his things and commit a crime by taking them. Just like you can walk into a 7/11 grab a coke and walk out. That's a crime. You can do it. Trump can pack TS/SCI reports into a box and take them.

There would be no point in having a punishment for taking classified materials if in fact it was impossible to do so.

>What is supposed to happen is that anything the former President wants to take gets checked (not by the Secret Service, by the FBI or the White House staff's in-house security people who are responsible for classified material) to make sure it's not something that requires special handling, like, you know, classified material

This is completely irrelevant. Because even if this doesn't happen, then the Archives will say "Hey you missed some stuff, send it on over, thanks" and a law-abiding President/staff will say "Okie-dokie!" and the entire issue is solved.

Blame-shifting to the move-out is a red herring because that was just opportunity #1 out of 20 to handle the documents in a law-abiding way. Trump still had violate #2, #3, #4, all the way down the line before "subpoena" and "search warrant" happened. You can't just hyper-fixate on one event. Read the timeline I posted, it's a 20 month event.

>Your ignorance of history is appalling.

Your defense of the indefensible is pathetic. If you had the intellectualism to match your insults, you would have simply said the 4 year Presidency that was obviously worse. You would simply have said "Hah! Had you known about Taft, you would not say this!" But because you know of no 4 year period worse, you simply insult me as if doing so is a suitable replacement for an actual argument.

As I have posted deep sourcing for the facts I stated here including the only 1st-party evidence in the thread, and I think this is just a very angry young person, I am going to leave this thread. Have fun!

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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The part that alleges the laptop and all the information on it are Hunter's. A laptop exists, yes, but it doesn't mean it's Hunter's or has his information. It also doesn't come close to implicating Joe Biden in any way. All it does is show Hunter is a drug user and has a lot of sex. This was known already. Even the guy who _found_ the laptop says it is likely disinformation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2…

> "People familiar with the investigation said prosecutors had examined emails between Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer and others about Burisma and other foreign business activity. Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and wi…

> No credible news source any longer disputes that it was indeed Hunter Biden's laptop. Does this change your opinion of anything?

It's already my opinion that the laptop could have belonged to Hunter at some point (no clear evidence on how it was lost-perhaps stolen). We know it was accessed and modified many times by many people, though. We also know there's no evidence of any malfeasance on Joe Biden's part.

Given that, what opinion have I claimed in here that you think I should change?

Does the following affect your opinion at all? These are some links/quotes that have been posted in other places under this article:

"An analysis by Distributed Denial of Secrets of 128,755 emails allegedly copied from the laptop and circulated by allies and former staff of President Donald Trump showed "signs of tampering" including 145 modification dates and emails created more than a year after Hunter Biden allegedly had the laptop." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controve... https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/Hunter_Biden_emails#Timeline https://ddosecrets.substack.com/p/release-hunter-biden-email...

The guy who found the laptop says that claims being made do not match what he saw on the laptop, and it is known that the data has changed hands and been modified multiple times post any Hunter connection:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warni...

“[An expert] also found records on the drive that indicated someone may have accessed the drive from a West Coast location in October 2020, little more than a week after the first New York Post stories on Hunter Biden’s laptop appeared.”

“Over the next few days, somebody created three additional folders on the drive, titled, ‘Mail,' ‘Salacious Pics Package’ and ‘Big Guy File’ — an apparent reference to Joe Biden.” ... In other words, Mac Isaac [note: the guy who was given the laptop] says that he has seen claims about what the laptop contains that don’t actually reflect what he saw on the laptop at the outset.

Additionally, I think folks are losing the forest for the trees: the entire point of this smear campaign is to allege Joe Biden improperly leaned on Ukraine to fire a prosecutor. That is ridiculous on its face as it is well known that the prosecutor in question was corrupt, and it was US policy–not Biden's, but Obama's–to convince Ukraine to fire him. This was a multinational effort btw, not just the US. Do you feel like Biden was wrong to get the guy fired? Some background information on what happened there: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrat...

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Not all of us, no. Or rather, yes and no. I could as soon say to you, "At least go to Google News, search 'hunter laptop', scroll, read, and then think, if you can still manage it." 95% of you will just say "Well, this one isn't credible" or "That one is a right wing conspiracy theory." Or at least the ones emboldened to type replies will. So don't ask me to throw myself to you hyenas by linking specific sources. Goo…

Do YoUr OwN rEsEaRcH and speculations. Got it.

This might have actually stung a bit were it not for your pattern of posting in this way. You lot are on your 4th Eternal September since 2009, by my count.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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> "People familiar with the investigation said prosecutors had examined emails between Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer and others about Burisma and other foreign business activity. Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and wi…

> No credible news source any longer disputes that it was indeed Hunter Biden's laptop. Does this change your opinion of anything? It's already my opinion that the laptop could have belonged to Hunter at some point (no clear evidence on how it was lost-perhaps stolen). We know it was accessed and modified many times by many people, though. We also know there's no evidence of any malfeasance on Joe Biden's part. Given…

I'm not reading through all that. If you have a single link that lays out your case put it here.

Your claim was A laptop exists, yes, but it doesn't mean it's Hunter's or has his information.

NYT discusses authenticated Hunter Biden emails from the laptop.

Unless you're claiming that someone secreted authentic emails onto an inauthentic laptop?

Honestly, this thread is less about the laptop than about government institutions suppressing the story.

But, advancing claims with which you already agree is easy. If you want to be the Master of the Laptop, falsify each of the claims in this article. [The National Tragedy of Hunter Biden's Laptop - Tablet Magazine](https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-nationa...)

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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I’m kind of shocked this isn’t a bigger story. - Right before a presidential election a major story breaks about a Presidential candidate - FBI jumps in to say “it’s Russian disinformation” - Story suppressed across the media including online as “disinformation” - After the election story turns out to be 100% true

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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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I don't really understand what you are saying. That if something isn't 100% blocked it isn't censored? But censorship isn't about treating something differently. Yes it is. Not just treating it differently, but treating it differently and negatively based on the content. Suppressing a story or speech based on the content. They have no duty to be neutral. Legally, no duty. Morally, I think most people would say Facebo…

If I publish a book, and the local Barnes and Noble doesn’t carry it, that’s not censorship or suppression, right? I see FB as the same thing, choosing not to distribute something is not censorship or suppression unless we dilute the meaning of those words to the point that they don’t mean a whole lot. Also, Facebook has deleted things that are overtly sexual for as long as I can remember. I find it odd that all of t…

What if Barnes and Noble agreed to carry it, but then refused to put it on the shelves, and left your book in the box in the back because they didn't like your political message, and wanted to deny you the ability to make money.

>Also, Facebook has deleted things that are overtly sexual for as long as I can remember. I find it odd that all of the people complaining about “censorship” never complain about that or think through the implications of what their framework would mean when applied to that.

That's just a cheap shot and a straw man, and I could say the same to you. You clearly haven't thought through the consequences of allowing the largest private communication network to block political communication of one side of an election. If it had been Facebook deciding to block anti-Trump stories you'd be crying twice is hard.

But ignoring the straw man, it is Facebook's prerogative to not have sexual content, or to say "no political content". And while they can, and did decide to block political content to benefit one side, it is valid to criticize that without suggesting that if they allow the NY Post article they also need to allow child port to be consistent.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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No, it's the normal definition.

So what is the "certain" kind of speech? And what kinda of speech can you block where it's not censorship?

By definition, none!

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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post #662

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> No credible news source any longer disputes that it was indeed Hunter Biden's laptop. Does this change your opinion of anything? It's already my opinion that the laptop could have belonged to Hunter at some point (no clear evidence on how it was lost-perhaps stolen). We know it was accessed and modified many times by many people, though. We also know there's no evidence of any malfeasance on Joe Biden's part. Given…

I'm not reading through all that. If you have a single link that lays out your case put it here. Your claim was A laptop exists, yes, but it doesn't mean it's Hunter's or has his information. NYT discusses authenticated Hunter Biden emails from the laptop. Unless you're claiming that someone secreted authentic emails onto an inauthentic laptop? Honestly, this thread is less about the laptop than about government inst…

It's a rather short post all things considered. I quoted the relevant portions. If you don't feel up to reading them, fine, but please don't pretend you know the facts when you ignore the evidence that has been presented.

> Unless you're claiming that someone secreted authentic emails onto an inauthentic laptop?

No, please read my previous post and if you're interested the links. tl;dr: some emails were authenticated, some were shown to have been tampered with.

> Honestly, this thread is less about the laptop than about government institutions suppressing the story.

This never happened, though. Facebook chose not to amplify the story based on information it had previously received from the FBI. Zuckerberg did not claim the FBI told them not to amplify this story, and the FBI talked to Facebook prior to the story coming out. This is spelled out in the post this topic is under.

> But, advancing claims with which you already agree is easy. If you want to be the Master of the Laptop, falsify each of the claims in this article. [The National Tragedy of Hunter Biden's Laptop - Tablet Magazine](https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-nationa...)

You didn't bother reading the relevant materials and ask me to read more. No.

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