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Putin does not think Ukraine is a separate state.
Pretty sure he's well aware that it's a separate state.
Yes right now, but he doesn’t consider it to be. Hence invading.
Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest
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> the policy only targets part of the population No it doesn’t. Palestinians are outside Israel. It targets specific foreigners, not Arabs or Christians or anyone else.
Palestinians as foreigners ? Ok, then, thanks ! You just recognized Palestine as a country … ( pro-Israel people can’t have it both ways : denying Palestinian statehood or implying it depending on the issue being discussed…)
We’ll they’re outside the borders of Israel. Open a map made by anyone to check this. I’m glad you understand.
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> the policy only targets part of the population No it doesn’t. Palestinians are outside Israel. It targets specific foreigners, not Arabs or Christians or anyone else.
The mental gymnastics. Oof
It’s mental gymnastics that people outside your country are foreigners?
OK. Open a map. A map made by anyone. See a border? Not the same state.
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Palestine is occupied Israeli land and Israel is building settlements there. Israel only keeps Palestine de jure 'external' due to international pressure, with the extra advantage of not having to give Palestians the same rights as Israelis (i.e. Apartheid). Claiming it is not apartheid based on some territorial technicality is disingenious. When Palestine gets full sovereign statehood maybe then we can watch evangel…
Israel has offered Palestinians a state multiple times, as well as offering to territory to Jordan (which I think is probably the best outcome).
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So the US can just declare the black hoods as external terretories and then the South could have continued as they were in the 60s. Amazing what you can achieve by some legal shananigens. Fact is, Israel is in controll of those terretories, these people are suject to the Israeli state.
Hamas and Hezbollah are in control of those territories.
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Perhaps you can tell us how it was different?
I dont like giving an opinion for the same reasons I was complaining about. I dont have stake in the region and there is so much nuance in the history im still missing. Things that I found striking though were that there are huge populations of arabs that live peacefully in Israel so this apartheid narrative is complete nonsense. The power dynamics are pretty set in stone, Israel will never have to give up an ounce o…
> there are huge populations of arabs that live peacefully in Israel so this apartheid narrative is complete nonsense.
For many, the narrative has superseded reality. And that’s the crux of the issue. If only more people had your level of willingness to explore the facts on the ground with their own eyes. Thank you so much for sharing your perspective.
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So the US can just declare the black hoods as external terretories and then the South could have continued as they were in the 60s. Amazing what you can achieve by some legal shananigens. Fact is, Israel is in controll of those terretories, these people are suject to the Israeli state.
"Amazing what you can achieve by some legal shananigens" applies the opposite way. These are technically parts of Israel, but Israel is not really in control of West Bank, and not at all in control of Gaza strip. They are halfway and fully controlled by hostile terrorist organizations that repeatedly claimed that the state they are "part of" must be destroyed, and implied or explicitly called for genocide as part of…
They are not “technically parts of Israel” at all. Israel is righteous to defend its right to exist while at the same time denying the same right to Palestine and refusing the concept itself of a two-state compromise, never mind the only internationally recognised borders.
This is part of Israel just as much as Kherson is part of Russia.
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Citation for that stat? Like it or not, 30% of the world’s countries identify as Muslim majority and part of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. None of those countries recognize Israel as a state. Just because a bunch of countries believe (or don’t believe) something doesn’t make it a fact.
> Just because a bunch of countries believe (or don’t believe) something doesn’t make it a fact. The statehood is all about recognization. Please check your favorite dictionary, e.g. mine says state·hood /ˈstātˌho͝od/ the status of being a recognized independent nation. When talking about such recognization, there are around 8 billion people living on earth today, out of that 8 billion real people, only about 1.5 bil…
By that argument, the State of Israel is not a state? Since those same countries (Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc) do not in fact recognize Israel’s existence.
The recognition you point to from other countries, is, at its heart, political. Those other countries are Muslim majority and vehemently anti-Israel. Ignoring that political and religious bias is intellectually dishonest.
But, if you still maintain Palestine is indeed a state, please answer the following:
- when was its independence? - who is the leader? - what is its currency? - who are its main trade partners?
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#119it is funny how american "ally"ness with israel somehow manages to put a cover on the "western" democracy values and "freedoms".... i am pretty sure the moment israel-usa relations turn sour, usa would wake up to the "inhuman treatment" and "apartheid".... right now its all fair and square and under the approval of American interests so its all fine. even EU hasn't had that "woke" moment with Palestinian yet, most pr…
I mean the answer is pretty clear even for Europe. With ISIS committing acts of terror in Europe, it helps to have a country in the Middle East as an ally.
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As a Canadian, who lives near one of the main sites, it was not over the top. The "truckers" (in reality, it was some truckers, and a lot of yahoos looking for a good time or attention) were tolerated for quite a while doing quite a few things that went well beyond any reasonable protest, were in fact blatently illegal, easily amounted to occupying key infrastructure that the vast majority of Canadians did not want t…
No other western country has suspended its own constitutional rights over a protest that was non violent and led to 0 deaths. No matter how you spin it, and how much you dislike the protesters that still makes it an unprecedented move. But it is amusing to see how some people here in canada are totally ok with that, and still manage to blame the US or whatever for pointing out that the federal government did exactly…
They used a very defined set of rules, which automatically includes a review (which is in progress). What the occupiers did was unsafe, harmful to a lot of people,and very strategic because they had a few ex military and police in their ranks. There was no reasonable way to remove them without causing greater disruption. There are a lot of unprecedented moves these days, deaths are not a good benchmark, clearing up disruptive idiots with white gloves is the least of my concerns.