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If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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- If a job has more than 2 rounds, no thanks. - If they send me a leetcode or test before speaking to me, no thanks. - If the job ad says anything about "culture", no thanks. - If my first interview is with an HR person, no thanks. - If the job ad or email mention anything about making a video of myself, I will delete that mofo with extreme prejudice. - If the job application requires me to sign up to your website, n…

Now post your compensation so people can see how far this attitude gets you.

I bet you’re making less than someone 2yrs out of school at a great company.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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Probationary periods are good for companies, but they're horrible for early stage engineers. They don't know how to take it, and they probably don't have a lot of money saved up. I think if companies decide to fire someone after a probationary period they should give them a $1,000 bonus or something to carry them over. That engineer has given up other opportunities and maybe moved or made changes in their life. Not e…

Probation periods are also good for employees. If you arrive at a company and the new boss screams at you to work harder you can leave without having to stay for the full notice period.

I can quit any job any time I want in the us, perhaps unless I've signed an unusual contract. Never seen that in software but I'm also not a contractor but a full time employee only. So what's the benefit to the employee to be on probation?

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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What do you mean? My daily code editor is notepad via a shared screen. It’s the best!

In this interview you’ll be expected to program your own editor and then complete the assessment in it. Good luck!!!!!

You send them a full on mini-vim implementation in Rust that uses ropes and then they just look at you disapprovingly because you didn't just tie together a dozen npm packages.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

#364

I’ve been interviewing for 8 months. Getting to many final rounds, 1 lowballed offer, 1 rescinded offer, and it’s playing a mental toll. Today, I got a rejection that went along the lines of “everyone loved you and there was absolutely 0 negative feedback, but we just found a better fit.” I almost broke down, but hid behind a facade of positivity because the long weekend was starting and my kids can’t afford a bummed…

It only takes a day for a company to lay you off.

The interview process my major companies are often designed to convince you of prestige and the illusion that they are coveted, but if you really look at how things work in the corporate world, we are individually a product that they buy into as consumers. If they undervalue the product, and the product is something they don't really need for whatever reason, they will try to haggle.

If they need you as a product, and you develop and know your value, you can negotiate better, from a position of strength. Personal growth and confidence is a continual process of building and renovating, but it always has a peak, and even ebb and flows throughout. There is never one clear path to success, but rest comfortably in knowing that all you have to do is survive and grow, carrying only what matters for each role you need to play in life.

Your life isn't linked to a job, it's linked to survival. Never let an employer convince you that you are not worthy of a job, and never let a job be the only value you have...

Work to qualify for interviews at companies where you get interviewed by execs, not by middle and lower management. The friends you make in those roles carry weight. A big part of success is the "Grey Hair" rule. Accept that when you are young and less experienced, things will be harder. It gets easier to navigate as you grow grey hairs and more experience if you work efficiently and effectively (not furiously). Resume formatting and a cover letter aren't really what get you the job. Your experience, personal product, and presentation does... Don't overthink the process... Overthink your personal life goals (What you want to accomplish in your personal life, not in work for an employer).

I am not usually a positive person, I am a practical one. The world is a lot less intimidating and more easily understandable when you focus on what you can control... Work to live, don't live to work.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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I thought I would laugh after this article, but in reality I could cry. My current new job, I had seriously a total of 9 interviews! And guess what - I thought it was kind of a red flag but still continued just to realize how much of a control freak top down management is in this company.

My take-away: After 3 interviews start to ask yourself if maybe decision making is broken in this company. After 5 its a red flag.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

#366

The VR role play interview with historical figures actually sounded kind of fun.

It's these types of games I just cannot put up with.

Well, certainly not in an interview. If I showed up and the interviewers sprung some sort of role play scenario or cheesy improv on me I'd be politely thanking them as I quickly shut the door on my way out.

Actually it reminds me of an experience I haven't thought about in years, though not quite the same thing: Fresh out of college I was in a job I hated and desperate to find anything else. I found something advertised as, I think, a marketing job and got called in for an interview. When I arrived there were a dozen other people in the parking lot and the recruiters were ushering us all into a large passenger van where they said we'd split up along the way to some big box stores an hour or two away and be doing some type of soliciting. Donations? Selling crap? I don't know. I'd signed up for an interview, not whatever the hell this was supposed to be. I noped out of that real fast, just turned around and walked away.

Wow, I don't think I've remembered that for 20 years. Anyway yeah, there are definitely some interview practices that should send a up visions of a truck full of red flags crashing into a truck full of "Warning!" signs as they explode outwards from the collision. And then you only walk towards the flaming wreck if you're a dozen kinds of desperate and the drivers crawling out of the debris are waiving paychecks.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

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post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probation periods are also good for employees. If you arrive at a company and the new boss screams at you to work harder you can leave without having to stay for the full notice period.

I can quit any job any time I want in the us, perhaps unless I've signed an unusual contract. Never seen that in software but I'm also not a contractor but a full time employee only. So what's the benefit to the employee to be on probation?

I don’t know about the US but in UK, NZ, AUS, Singapore, Taiwan (countries I know about) it’s pretty standard to have a notice period of 1-2 months.

So you can’t “just quit”.

Probation shortens that notice period to typically 1 week however most people tend to leave straight away as it’s fruitless to both parties if the employee stays.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

#368

Hits close to home. I did an interview with a static analysis company and everything went well until the “People Gardeners” interview. It was a relatively short meeting that was mostly taken up by them asking basic career history questions, but part of it supposedly had some kind of personality fit methodology. I was told matter-of-factly that I was out of touch with my emotions and therefore couldn’t fit the team. T…

Could be one of those ~stress interviews~ to ~see if you'll break or harden~ under adversity, I love arguing, so i got the job after one of those, and had the owner explain it to me exactly like that. It was the worst job I have ever held, you dodged a bullet on that one, as bad as it was.

My best guess is they were looking for me to admit some negative emotion that I had when receiving criticism— but without being asked to describe negative feelings directly. In one example, I genuinely considered the criticism of a project helpful and unrelated to me as a person. In another I was far more concerned with my report’s experience than my own, so I didn’t bother mentioning it.

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

#369

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Yes. I target hybrid roles in places I have no interest in living. Use an burner number app to pretend I live nearby, and away I go.

This sounds like something that should have its own entry in the DSM V.

"I took a test to see if I was a sociopath, I scored 1 point under the threshold, but I think I got that point back when I broke in to the testing site to see my result early"

Re: If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever

#370

I’ve been interviewing for 8 months. Getting to many final rounds, 1 lowballed offer, 1 rescinded offer, and it’s playing a mental toll. Today, I got a rejection that went along the lines of “everyone loved you and there was absolutely 0 negative feedback, but we just found a better fit.” I almost broke down, but hid behind a facade of positivity because the long weekend was starting and my kids can’t afford a bummed…

Just like success with the other gender (or whatever you're attracted to), this doesn't mean much about your self worth.

As a hiring manager, I'm desperate for good talent. For the company that liked you, ask if there's other roles in the organization or to be considered for future rounds. Can't hurt, but don't hold your breath. Laws often prevent honesty in rejections.

It's extremely difficult to find good people. Even the most prestigious companies with the most stringent hiring processes are filled with people who shouldn't have been hired. Half the time I hire someone, my workload increases rather than decreases.

I finally find a promising candidate, only to have FAANG come in and offer 50% more than I can. Significantly more than I earn. I try to compete by offering a better work environment, team, and growth. But 50% is life changing. And while I've helped so many grow, they leave holes when they do.

So I find myself questioning my life and worth.

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