So these companies are selecting for aptitude for repetitive, pointless, soul-crushing processes ?
If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever
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#262I think there is like a skull and bones conspiracy that every founder who gets venture capital and every other mega company agrees to make interviews awful.
That way employees don’t want to go through the trouble and would rather just stay where they are, and will accept less pay than they could get.
It’s like a cartel and it works as long as everyone involved keeps up the gig.
It’s either that or interviews just suck and no matter what you do they will suck.
Or maybe interviews are just fine and people just need to accept they are stressful. If you can’t handle the stress, then build a good network with friends and relatives, and let a little nepotism make it easier. If you can’t do that then just accept you won’t get paid as much and your job might not be perfect.
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
Day-rate contracting can get you very close if the last minute renewals are something you can deal with. The telcos are currently going through a hiring period and I’ve seen 1250/day plus super offered a few times recently. For perm roles, it’s certainly much harder, and I’ve only seen one IC role offered in market at over $220k at the firms I’ve worked at, but the flip side is I’ve seen a few higher ones offered to…
> The old adage still applies, the jobs you want aren’t advertised and the candidates you’re looking for aren’t on job boards looking. For someone new-ish to Sydney without much of a network, where should I be looking, if not the usual job boards?
If it's anything like Europe, presenting at meetups and contributing to industry-relevant open source software opens doors both for hiring and being hired.
It's a lot of work though.
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We have a probation period to work out if they’ve over-promised I'm curious what you mean by over-promised? Unless you only do this for people who don't already have a job, this sounds more toxic than multiple interviews. "Oh yeah we want you to work for us, but quit your old company, we'll try you out for a few weeks and if not we'll go our separate ways" ... but they quit their previous company so it's not as nic…
If they said in the interview they’re very comfortable with Vue.js and Postgres, and then you find out after a few weeks that actually they barely know Vue or Postgres, they actually come from a React/SQLite background, they’ve overpromised. Rather than ensuring every bullet point on their resume is factual through six interviews I’ve found it’s better to assume they’re honest and as capable as advertised, interview…
Wow, that is...really sane
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#265- If a job has more than 2 rounds, no thanks. - If they send me a leetcode or test before speaking to me, no thanks. - If the job ad says anything about "culture", no thanks. - If my first interview is with an HR person, no thanks. - If the job ad or email mention anything about making a video of myself, I will delete that mofo with extreme prejudice. - If the job application requires me to sign up to your website, n…
> If my first interview is with an HR person, no thanks
I always think of these as a sniff-test. They just want to see if you are a real person, who can speak and recite whatever is on your CV/resume. If in-person, that you shower and dress. That's it. If you can pass that stage, you're on to the more expensive interviews.
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#266Do you know the meme on Reddit that shows a blob in a square, deciding to give the outside world a try, gets punched and says never again? That’s how I feel when I try to interview for an software engineering role.
Grammar nit pick, "a" if the first letter of the following word starts with a consonant sound else "an". A ball. An echo.
Give typos a pass, and if it can be explained as a typo, then it is a typo. That includes errant apostrophe's.
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#267I’ve been interviewing for 8 months. Getting to many final rounds, 1 lowballed offer, 1 rescinded offer, and it’s playing a mental toll. Today, I got a rejection that went along the lines of “everyone loved you and there was absolutely 0 negative feedback, but we just found a better fit.” I almost broke down, but hid behind a facade of positivity because the long weekend was starting and my kids can’t afford a bummed…
Why shouldn't it require a thick skin?
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#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We have a probation period to work out if they’ve over-promised I'm curious what you mean by over-promised? Unless you only do this for people who don't already have a job, this sounds more toxic than multiple interviews. "Oh yeah we want you to work for us, but quit your old company, we'll try you out for a few weeks and if not we'll go our separate ways" ... but they quit their previous company so it's not as nic…
If they said in the interview they’re very comfortable with Vue.js and Postgres, and then you find out after a few weeks that actually they barely know Vue or Postgres, they actually come from a React/SQLite background, they’ve overpromised. Rather than ensuring every bullet point on their resume is factual through six interviews I’ve found it’s better to assume they’re honest and as capable as advertised, interview…
I would expect any halfway decent hire with real React and SQLite experience to be able to pick up survival level Vue and PG within those 90 days though?
At the end of the day JS is JS and SQL is SQL, particularly if you're a dev and not a DBA. You'd have a problem if they (say) have never touched a database before.
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#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is why propbation periods exist. It’s a chance for the employee or employer to back out.
Probationary periods are good for companies, but they're horrible for early stage engineers. They don't know how to take it, and they probably don't have a lot of money saved up. I think if companies decide to fire someone after a probationary period they should give them a $1,000 bonus or something to carry them over. That engineer has given up other opportunities and maybe moved or made changes in their life. Not e…
Probation periods are also good for employees. If you arrive at a company and the new boss screams at you to work harder you can leave without having to stay for the full notice period.
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#270I like especially the jump from May 5, 2022 "...we will follow up in two hours to two months" to the next letter dated September 10, 2022, over 4 months later.