41–50 of 104 posts
I'm a big Jetbrains fanboy and an IntelliJ user since the 3.x days. I hope it works out for them.
I suspect a lot of the success of this will hinge on how friendly it is to tools outside the Jetbrains ecosystem. In particular VSCode. On my team in our little startup doing Rust it's sort of 50/50 CLion vs VSCode. And in many ways we're getting okayish value out of just GitHub + Notion + Google Docs. I'm a big Jetbrains fanboy and an IntelliJ user since the 3.x days. I hope it works out for them.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the hodgepodge, piecemeal nature of software development tooling is both a strength and a downfall. Something like JetBrains Space appeals to me at this point in my career, because I really just want to write the software and have everything else handled by default. I don't want to be gluing together services just to get work done. It's also appealing to me as a way to align everyone on the same tools. One of…
Heh. You know who made their fortune providing "everything else handled by default"? Microsoft. Now that enters a fairly divisive terrain, but needless to say, what you expect from single source of tooling generally does not end up being delivered.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
> JetBrains are going to lobby for a law preventing local development? You think this is hyperbole, but companies lobby for unfair and anti-consumer, anti-privacy laws all the time. You live in a world with a weekend and reasonable working conditions because workers banded together and fought against corporations to buy those things for you. Don’t be naive. Corporations do what is best for their bottom line. > tellin…
This is way off the deep end as a response to a company offering a tool that nobody has to use if they don’t want to. > I am explaining to you why it’s in your own self interest That’s for your opinion of my own interests. JetBrains don’t tell me what I should do, or tell me that I don’t know my own interests, or make moral judgements against me, only people like you do that.
We were waiting for the on prem version to give it a run. Sadly pricing structure is completely different than other Jetbrains products and tbh - crazy expensive. I hope it isn't beginning of transition to overpriced SaaSes everyone else offers.
Its between $8/month and $99/month, and the highest tier includes all Jetbrains products. That looks... reasonable?
Compare that to other Jetbrains products, where you pay similar amount once and you can use it forever and you'll see how huge step back it is.
I'm happy for everyone in this thread, that it's trivial for your organization to budget $100k+ (realistically, for mid-size org it's something like this to fully integrate and then pedal back from solution of this size if suddenly you are out of the money - eg. Atlassian estimates 9 month+ migration for its jira instances), however for me it's still kinda big bet :-)
Things like the Git hosting provided by this Space thing sounded pretty good for EU-based users, as Jetbrains is a company registered in the Czech Republic. Unfortunately, their FAQ on privacy states that all of the data will be stored in Amazon AWS, so from the privacy perspective this is no improvement over Github or Gitlab.
Privacy is multi dimensional. If the US government wants access to your stuff, all the EU hosting in the world is not going to stop them.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it’s already too late Too late for… what? What do you think is going to happen? JetBrains are going to lobby for a law preventing local development? > hypocrisy at play Wow there’s no hypocrisy. I’ve got no moral obligation to support your open source project just because mine is open source. Hypocrisy is telling people to do something and doing another yourself. Given I haven’t told anyone to do anything, where is…
> JetBrains are going to lobby for a law preventing local development? You think this is hyperbole, but companies lobby for unfair and anti-consumer, anti-privacy laws all the time. You live in a world with a weekend and reasonable working conditions because workers banded together and fought against corporations to buy those things for you. Don’t be naive. Corporations do what is best for their bottom line. > tellin…
Seems cool, but the demo video is so corporation-y it's comical. When they said "experience synergy and convergence throughout the system" I almost thought it was satire.