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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Well, we live in the age where the story hardly matters. I saw Top Gun the other day, and was shocked at how bad it was. The aerial stuff was superb, but everything else looked so amateurish. Acting was hideous, the story was so predictable and boring there was hardly any substance to the film. And yet it got an 8,5 rating at imdb.

The original Top Gun was cheese with cool planes. People are likely to be expecting exactly the same again, and so are happy when they get it.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Not faithful? More like it presents exactly the opposite ideas. Why choose Foundation if you hate every concept that the books stand for?

The show is kinda OK if you ignore the book, I.e. for general public. Expensive, good CG, etc. What does feel painful though is the wasted opportunity: chances are that Foundation will never get its Peter Jackson.

Frankly, it didn't seem so good for the general public either. It's very slow and confusing. The emperors' plot is actually more entertaining. Totally unconnected with the books' premise (empire crumbling under the weight of its own bureaucracy) but the actors are fine.

The "good guys" on the other hand...

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Name a „woke“ movie with likable characters. One. Its a contradiction in terms - you cannot be a spiritual scold or schoolmarm and mold a set of likable characters from this essence.

Define „woke“

The parent is using the term pejoratively. In this context, I would describe it as calling someone a poseur of liberal/progressive issues, i.e., someone who cares more about the appearance of supporting progressive issues than actually supporting those underlying issues themselves. It means calling someone dishonest about their outward intent, basically. Personally, I'd prefer that people would just say what they mean rather than relying on slang entangled in the modern culture wars.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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> It’s quite clear that that is YOUR problem. It’s funny when people like yourself claim “I’m not X” while then clear laying the case. if you don't see a problem in changing someone else's literature and culture (I am Italian and have read Pinocchio since I was a kid) than you probably don't know what respect for different cultures is. I would never think of a movie were Kunta Kinte is Dutch and is portrait by Chris…

Don't worry, it's not you. People who are quick to call someone racist are nearly always struggling internally with their own racism. To their credit they feel quite a lot of shame about that, but until it's resolved they can be quite unpleasant.

Let me offer a different perspective: the complaint is inconsistent and solely focused on race, which makes it appear racist.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Minor roles only as southerners "middelearth-terranean" pirates. LOT mimicks the Tolkien World, that was European and catholic, and roots deep in European mythology and about experiencing World War. There is not a lot of room to introduce Asian or African characters in that history and they can distract easily from the immersion. Is not different that seeing white actors posing as American natives in old films with a…

I must admit, the sight of a black man entering a tavern full of white people did not urk me in the slightest. In fact, the thought that it might be odd never even entered my mind and never broke my immersion. The characters a bland enough that there is plenty to complain about that does not include their race or sexual orientation. Does "race" even apply considering there is literal other races?

> I must admit, the sight of a black man entering a tavern full of white people did not urk me in the slightest. In fact, the thought that it might be odd never even entered my mind and never broke my immersion.

This depends entirely on your knowledge. There are people who won't notice a 1970s car in a movie set in 1950s because they don't know anything about cars, and then there are those to whom it's utterly immersion-breaking because the anachronistic car is associated with much later things for them and the mismatch sticks out like a sore thumb.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…

I went over 2 pages of 1star reviews in rottentomatos and not one mentioned the woke stuff. Not sure where this notion that it’s been brigaded by the anti-woke crowd comes from. Most bad reviews mentioned bland characters, mediocre acting, bad dialogue/writing etc.

All well deserved imho. It is a wax museum of a show.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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post #312

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Galadriel in the Lord of the Rings books shows none of that. You only learn about it if you read the Silmarillion (and the other History of Middle-Earth books). It's not at all unreasonable for her portrayal in the movies based on the LotR books to be...based on her portrayal in the LotR books, and not attempting to incorporate largely irrelevant details of her backstory from Tolkien's other writings.

In other words, ignore the writer's understanding of and intent for for the character because they didn't put it in the right book?

Tolkien's intent for Galadriel as she appears in Lord of the Rings is exactly what appears in Lord of the Rings.

The Silmarillion was his unfinished writings. I don't recall whether he had any intention to ever publish it, but certainly, he did not make strong efforts to do so. His son Christopher had to make a monumental effort to take the various disparate scraps and versions of stories to put them together into what appears to be a coherent whole.

To say that Tolkien "intended" for Galadriel to present, in Lord of the Rings, any of the traits one would associate with a kinslaying ruthless warleader is to completely ignore the context and the manner in which he wrote those two different aspects of her.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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> So you’re now equating a pseudo historical character with a children’s book? So you're not aware that Pinocchio is a metaphorical book about Italian society and the need for free, universal, public schools in Italy? > only true northern Italians "true northern Italians" do not exist. They are like any other Italian. It is absurd to think the contrary. Probably even "Italian" as a distinct ethnicity doesn't exist. C…

I think you're right. Italian is not an ethnicity. Italy hasn't been a unified political entity for very long. There are Italians from all sorts of different ethnicities and races. Would it be okay for a Black person to play this role if they were Italian? If not, why is it okay for non-Italian white actors to play other roles? Is a Corsican person Italian? Is an Italian-American? Is Mario Balotelli (for example)? Wh…

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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Because from a economical business point: * You're getting old and your not spending as much money. * Getting 5$ from 100.000.000 people is better than getting 50$ 1.000.000 people. Especially if you can do it at lower costs. * Getting in new audiences to keep the franchise alive and healthy * And last but not least the average consumer is not interested in it being "true" to some kind of book or whatever. It has to…

From a business point of view having a fanatical core of fans who recommend your show to everyone is why you bought the IP. Today I saw physical adverts for House of the Dragon on the train ride home. The only thing I thought about was how shit the last season of Game of Thrones was and how I will never read any media about that world again. Even though I would have watched a new show set in a completely different wo…

>From a business point of view having a fanatical core of fans who recommend your show to everyone is why you bought the IP.

There are probably more than 10x as many people who remember liking the lotr movies as a kid than who are close enough friends with a member of that fanatical core of Tolkien fans to have the show personally recommended to them and probably many times again as many people who are just generally aware of the popularity of LotR. That's the real benefit of the IP. Having some really dedicated fans help hype it up for a few weeks/months before it comes out doesn't hurt, but their job is pretty much done by the time it actually releases.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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post #91

Ah. Didn’t know IMDB was owned by Amazon. Put’s all ratings on Prime in a different perspective.

> Didn’t know IMDB was owned by Amazon Yep. That's what enables Prime Video's X-Ray where you can see details about the actors and music of a particular scene while watching, and what also makes it impossible for competitors such as Netflix to have a similar feature. If IMDB were separate, the data would probably be accessible to anyone.

The data that X-Ray builds on is an additional proprietary dataset built via manual data annotation.

It would be entirely possible for Netflix to build a similar dataset, and Amazon Prime Video doesn't have any significant advantage here by its association to IMDB (as would be the case if e.g. all production companies would be required to deposit X-Ray data themselves to IMDB to be eligible for major awards).

Given that Prime Video seems to base its user-facing catalog organisation on IMDB, and that that one is probably the most convoluted of all the streaming providers, I'd argue the are even shooting themselves in the foot by being too closely aligned.

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