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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by zppln »

isbvhodnvemrwvn wrote: post #71
farleykr wrote: post #61

My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…

Don't you think that 2 episodes is a bit too little to judge the entire series like that? The show covers A LOT more time than LOtR did, there's plenty of space for character development. Galadriel was not exactly likeable when she participated in the first kinslaying, or when she ran away from the war of wrath.

My beef is that there isn't much in terms of character development. The first episode was an atrocious formulaic mess that tried to stack as many memorable LotR style moments on top of each other as possible. So far they haven't taken the opportunity to use the format to their advantage at all. Visually appealing, but bland is how I'd summarize things so far.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by spywaregorilla »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #105
farleykr wrote: post #61

My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…

Name a „woke“ movie with likable characters. One. Its a contradiction in terms - you cannot be a spiritual scold or schoolmarm and mold a set of likable characters from this essence.

Woke seems to purposefully imply a bungled attempt at progressive characters so it's kind of tautological. But if we just mean progressive, then Zootopia.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by thrown_22 »

pubby wrote: post #115
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Name a „woke“ movie with likable characters. One. Its a contradiction in terms - you cannot be a spiritual scold or schoolmarm and mold a set of likable characters from this essence.

To kill a mockingbird

How dare you question a woman's lived experience.

Not to mention the hate Harper Lee got for Go Set a Watchman showing what happened to the characters 20 years later.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by scarface74 »

smcl wrote: post #110
tjpnz wrote: post #84

I think people with legitimate criticisms are starting to get really tired being called a racist or a misogynist. 99% of the reviews aren't about wokeness at all. They're about the writing, the pacing and the how unbelievably dull the show is.

People were up in arms before a single episode aired, because they saw a fictional species (dwarf) had dark skin. many of those people have now pivoted their arguments against the show to being about pacing, writing (note: I’m in no way implying this is you, I haven’t seen any LotR series opinions on HN) - but the racist stuff has already occurred

Yes, this is like people being up in arms that DC decided to cast a Black woman to play an orange alien from Tamarin.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by jart »

isbvhodnvemrwvn wrote: post #71
farleykr wrote: post #61

My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…

Don't you think that 2 episodes is a bit too little to judge the entire series like that? The show covers A LOT more time than LOtR did, there's plenty of space for character development. Galadriel was not exactly likeable when she participated in the first kinslaying, or when she ran away from the war of wrath.

How faithful was that storyline to the Tolkein lore? Did he really write a book where a commander driven literally insane by zeal is vindicated, saves the lives of the men in her company like a mary sue, only to be mutinied and sprung by her king for being right? It makes everyone look repulsive. The only win scenario in that situation is if they'd all just sat on their hands and done nothing.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by chrisseaton »

zppln wrote: post #121
isbvhodnvemrwvn wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you think that 2 episodes is a bit too little to judge the entire series like that? The show covers A LOT more time than LOtR did, there's plenty of space for character development. Galadriel was not exactly likeable when she participated in the first kinslaying, or when she ran away from the war of wrath.

My beef is that there isn't much in terms of character development. The first episode was an atrocious formulaic mess that tried to stack as many memorable LotR style moments on top of each other as possible. So far they haven't taken the opportunity to use the format to their advantage at all. Visually appealing, but bland is how I'd summarize things so far.

> My beef is that there isn't much in terms of character development.

In just two episodes? Yeah there won’t be.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by spywaregorilla »

smcl wrote: post #110
tjpnz wrote: post #84

I think people with legitimate criticisms are starting to get really tired being called a racist or a misogynist. 99% of the reviews aren't about wokeness at all. They're about the writing, the pacing and the how unbelievably dull the show is.

People were up in arms before a single episode aired, because they saw a fictional species (dwarf) had dark skin. many of those people have now pivoted their arguments against the show to being about pacing, writing (note: I’m in no way implying this is you, I haven’t seen any LotR series opinions on HN) - but the racist stuff has already occurred

But the fact that some people were racist does not preclude others from just not liking the show.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by pseudo0 »

thrown_22 wrote: post #72
notanormalnerd wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because from a economical business point: * You're getting old and your not spending as much money. * Getting 5$ from 100.000.000 people is better than getting 50$ 1.000.000 people. Especially if you can do it at lower costs. * Getting in new audiences to keep the franchise alive and healthy * And last but not least the average consumer is not interested in it being "true" to some kind of book or whatever. It has to…

From a business point of view having a fanatical core of fans who recommend your show to everyone is why you bought the IP. Today I saw physical adverts for House of the Dragon on the train ride home. The only thing I thought about was how shit the last season of Game of Thrones was and how I will never read any media about that world again. Even though I would have watched a new show set in a completely different wo…

It truly is bizarre to watch. It reminds me of the ethically questionable business strategy of buying a premium brand, slashing prediction quality and costs, and then raking in profits before people catch on. That strategy is viable because of cost-cutting though, while many of these franchises are setting records for production costs despite their mediocre quality.
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