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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 11:29 AM UTC

farleykr wrote: post #61

My issue with the show has nothing to do with the “woke” stuff mentioned here. I don’t like it because none of the heroes are likable. All of them have some form of sticking it to the man and doing what they want as their story line. True heroes are self-sacrificial and reluctant. Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies pro…

Don't you think that 2 episodes is a bit too little to judge the entire series like that? The show covers A LOT more time than LOtR did, there's plenty of space for character development. Galadriel was not exactly likeable when she participated in the first kinslaying, or when she ran away from the war of wrath.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by thrown_22 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 11:29 AM UTC

notanormalnerd wrote: post #63

pseudo0 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems kind of weird to characterize Tolkien fans being interested in a new, high-profile Lord of the Rings show as "brigading". Of course the people with the biggest emotional connection and interest in a franchise will be the ones most active in reviewing, creating YouTube videos, and discussing it online. I think the better question is why so many established sci-fi and franchises seem to be alienating their cor…

Because from a economical business point: * You're getting old and your not spending as much money. * Getting 5$ from 100.000.000 people is better than getting 50$ 1.000.000 people. Especially if you can do it at lower costs. * Getting in new audiences to keep the franchise alive and healthy * And last but not least the average consumer is not interested in it being "true" to some kind of book or whatever. It has to…

From a business point of view having a fanatical core of fans who recommend your show to everyone is why you bought the IP.

Today I saw physical adverts for House of the Dragon on the train ride home. The only thing I thought about was how shit the last season of Game of Thrones was and how I will never read any media about that world again. Even though I would have watched a new show set in a completely different world with the production quality I saw in the posters.

Currently Big Corp is spending billions on acquiring IPs which rather quickly end up having negative value. This is, to put it mildly, not good business sense.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by Macha » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 11:31 AM UTC

glogla wrote: post #22

I have not seen it myself, but every criticism I've read so far was complaining about "mandatory woke". Some reviews also mentioned other things they don't like, like costumes not being good or fights being cinematic instead of subdued or characters appearing where they shouldn't be if you take Silmarillion into accord ... but I have not read even one review that didn't include some version of "I hate it because it h…

It's so "mandatory woke" that the hobbits are rowdy drunkards with Oirish accents

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by narag » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 11:31 AM UTC

Karellen wrote: post #41

I don't get reviews saying that TRoP, or some other new prestige TV series, is "terrible", or "a disaster", based on the first couple of episodes. Some really excellent TV series have taken more than a whole 26-episode season before they find their rhythm and get properly good. ST:TNG is a classic example, but I'm pretty sure you can come up with others. And some people are claiming that a new series totally worthles…

I agree. The first two episodes of The Rings of Power are unbearably boring. But let's wait.

Anyway, IMDb ratings are getting totally unreliable to me. I wasted hours of my life that won't come back, watching some show called The Terminal List that scored a solid eight. Carnage of Asimov's Foundation is 7.4 and that... thing, The Wheel of Time 7.1.

I wonder if there's a way to see evolution of rating, for me Star Trek Discovery seasons are nine, seven, two, pass... but it's holding at 7 right now.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by throw0101c » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 11:31 AM UTC

Karellen wrote: post #41

I don't get reviews saying that TRoP, or some other new prestige TV series, is "terrible", or "a disaster", based on the first couple of episodes. Some really excellent TV series have taken more than a whole 26-episode season before they find their rhythm and get properly good. ST:TNG is a classic example, but I'm pretty sure you can come up with others. And some people are claiming that a new series totally worthles…

> I don't get reviews saying that TRoP, or some other new prestige TV series, is "terrible", or "a disaster", based on the first couple of episodes.

There are only eight episodes, so if two first two suck then that's a quarter of the series/seasons that sucks.

The first two episodes are also 90 minutes long, so we're three hours into the story. That's as long as the extended edition of The Fellowship of the Ring movie: how much of a story were they able to tell in that? How much have they told in TRoP?

Contrast with with House of the Dragon which has also released two episodes (out of ten). What are people saying about that?

Yes, the series can be 'saved' in the remaining six episodes, but it just seems… wasteful? (of time, effort, money) … to do what they did.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by mysterydip » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 11:33 AM UTC

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #56

pseudo0 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems kind of weird to characterize Tolkien fans being interested in a new, high-profile Lord of the Rings show as "brigading". Of course the people with the biggest emotional connection and interest in a franchise will be the ones most active in reviewing, creating YouTube videos, and discussing it online. I think the better question is why so many established sci-fi and franchises seem to be alienating their cor…

Because it’s not the core audience. People who care about the lore and source material are insignificant compared to the amount of people who just enjoy a lavish production in a medieval fantasy setting. Clearly Amazon is targeting the people who enjoyed the movies and want a similar experience in a TV show format. Most don’t really care that it conforms to what Tolkien wrote. Heck, I’m probably unusual compared to t…

Then why spend the money to get the rights to a known series at all? Make up a new IP in Generic Medieval Fantasy Land with lavish production values. No licensing or contract renewal fees, and you don't upset any existing audience.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by BrainVirus » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 11:33 AM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #60

BrainVirus wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are grumpy because Amazon gutted LotR universe, made it an empty vessel for their political ideology and now refuse to deal with well-earned criticism in an honest fashion.

Based on what exactly? If anything the only complaint you can make is that the 2 episodes we got so far just dragged out the world building way too much. We had almost 2 and a half hours of content and it doesn’t seem we’re even done with the introduction to the gang that would become fellowship of the rings ;)

>Based on what exactly?

Maybe you should read some negative reviews on IMDB to find out? Oh, sorry, I forgot. They all got deleted. Hence lies the problem.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by soco » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 11:33 AM UTC

Karellen wrote: post #41

I don't get reviews saying that TRoP, or some other new prestige TV series, is "terrible", or "a disaster", based on the first couple of episodes. Some really excellent TV series have taken more than a whole 26-episode season before they find their rhythm and get properly good. ST:TNG is a classic example, but I'm pretty sure you can come up with others. And some people are claiming that a new series totally worthles…

It's about my life, about how I choose to spend the time and if the show doesn't give me a reason from the beginning, it would be pretty optimistic to think it will at some point later. I'll rather choose another one which does it right, because there's no shortage of shows anyway. Of course I don't mean it must deliver in the first five minutes, but two episodes are plenty enough. If the director/scenarist/whatever cannot build two interesting episodes out of two, that's a pretty bad average and gives me no reason to think they will get better - except the unfounded hope and comparison with whatever unrelated series you mentioned.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by xiphias2 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 11:34 AM UTC

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #56

pseudo0 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems kind of weird to characterize Tolkien fans being interested in a new, high-profile Lord of the Rings show as "brigading". Of course the people with the biggest emotional connection and interest in a franchise will be the ones most active in reviewing, creating YouTube videos, and discussing it online. I think the better question is why so many established sci-fi and franchises seem to be alienating their cor…

Because it’s not the core audience. People who care about the lore and source material are insignificant compared to the amount of people who just enjoy a lavish production in a medieval fantasy setting. Clearly Amazon is targeting the people who enjoyed the movies and want a similar experience in a TV show format. Most don’t really care that it conforms to what Tolkien wrote. Heck, I’m probably unusual compared to t…

The problem with changing the world that was created by a writer is that the world had become so popular for a good reason.

I didn't read Dune nor Brave New World, but I loved the Dune movie and didn't enjoy Brave New World series, because it just didn't make sense. I love exact book adaptations even if I hadn't read the book.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by simonh » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 11:34 AM UTC

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #45

simonh wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were black peoples, or at least Middle Eastern, all over Medieval Europe. The Arthurian cycle has moorish knights. When Eleanor of Aquitaine married the English king, part of her dowry was a North African city. Are we to believe none of them travelled to England? Berber pirates raided Iceland for slaves so there were whites people in Africa, why not black people in Europe? Some people travelled a lot. The Saxon…

There is no obsession about racial segregation and I don’t care at all about the fictional universe of Tolkien. I can tell you that the first time people saw black people in my very small hometown in the French countryside during the Second World War, they stopped to ask questions and at least one photo was taken. It’s not racism. It was just completely out of the ordinary which is exactly how I imagine seeing black…

I think it very much depends on the tavern. In many places sure, it would be unknown. Could a random village have a black resident, maybe a sailor or member of a trade expedition that happened to settle there? Absolutely.

Adventure fiction is often centred on unusual characters with exceptional back stories or circumstances, and people like that did exist.