What are resources for such interviews?
How many rounds should I expect, and for how long?
If You Want This Job, We Must Interview You Forever
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Probation is a legal term that has implications like you can let someone go for no reason. Most places don't have zero worker rights like the US does.
Where I live there is almost always 30-180 days probation period and then the contract turns into permanent. Usually not a big deal.
Leaving a fulltime position becomes a gamble.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We have a probation period to work out if they’ve over-promised I'm curious what you mean by over-promised? Unless you only do this for people who don't already have a job, this sounds more toxic than multiple interviews. "Oh yeah we want you to work for us, but quit your old company, we'll try you out for a few weeks and if not we'll go our separate ways" ... but they quit their previous company so it's not as nic…
But is it better than the alternative, that’s the current system of multi-round interview that takes months because companies try to avoid a wrong decision?
If I was unemployed yes but if employed you are taking a big risk.
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#224These styles of multi-round interviews inspired by the FAANG collective started picking up in Australia before the pandemic, but it got to a point where most of my more talented colleagues and I all agreed it just wasn’t worth the time for the salaries being offered. 4 round interviews for a ‘senior’ developer position on $120k? When interviewing my own candidates, I use a 1 hour interview mostly focused on approach…
> We have a probation period to work out if they’ve over-promised I'm curious what you mean by over-promised? Unless you only do this for people who don't already have a job, this sounds more toxic than multiple interviews. "Oh yeah we want you to work for us, but quit your old company, we'll try you out for a few weeks and if not we'll go our separate ways" ... but they quit their previous company so it's not as nic…
I’ve hired developers who ended up lacking experience in something that they claimed they had experience in, but they hunkered down and quickly learned the technology. That’s fine. honestly, I’d say that if you don’t slightly exaggerate experience in interviews you’re doing them wrong. It’s when someone outright lies and then fails to actually learn what they’ve said they know that’s the problem.
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#225I’ve been interviewing for 8 months. Getting to many final rounds, 1 lowballed offer, 1 rescinded offer, and it’s playing a mental toll. Today, I got a rejection that went along the lines of “everyone loved you and there was absolutely 0 negative feedback, but we just found a better fit.” I almost broke down, but hid behind a facade of positivity because the long weekend was starting and my kids can’t afford a bummed…
I know the feeling.
I’m sorry, dude. That blows.
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#226I’ve been interviewing for 8 months. Getting to many final rounds, 1 lowballed offer, 1 rescinded offer, and it’s playing a mental toll. Today, I got a rejection that went along the lines of “everyone loved you and there was absolutely 0 negative feedback, but we just found a better fit.” I almost broke down, but hid behind a facade of positivity because the long weekend was starting and my kids can’t afford a bummed…
Been doing it for 2 years because I specifically am looking for company looking for founding staff which is hyper-selective.
The worst thing is to be refused without knowing what's wrong so you're kept wondering why. Is it geographical reason? Is it national border reason? Legal reason? Culture fit? Personality fit?
Another worst thing is to be denied without any tests. Nowadays, I'd pick difficult and time consuming technical tests over being denied by technical merits due to incomplete CVs
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#227These styles of multi-round interviews inspired by the FAANG collective started picking up in Australia before the pandemic, but it got to a point where most of my more talented colleagues and I all agreed it just wasn’t worth the time for the salaries being offered. 4 round interviews for a ‘senior’ developer position on $120k? When interviewing my own candidates, I use a 1 hour interview mostly focused on approach…
I’m all for probation periods. I think this is where the industry should go. Before I got hired at my current job, I think I went through around 20 hours of total interviews at several companies. I got to the final round three times for three separate companies, but they always found a reason to say no at the end. At my current company, I’m thriving and people constantly tell me so. It really makes me wonder if those…
The industry is trying to optimize for avoiding opposite. How many more hours wasted for a candidate that is sub-par? 20 hours? That’s not even a single probation period. Must be hundreds of hours spent per candidate, and I can easily imagine 5 subpar candidates in a row. A colossal waste of time.
Honestly we also have a senior contractor on my who we only did 1 or 2 60 min basic screens for and they’re a huge disappointment and we’ve been dealing with them for a year I guess because they’re not quite bad enough to fire immediately. I bet a full panel would not have accepted them.
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#228I’ve seen so many of these jokes and complaints about modern SV interviews that I was blown away when I recently interviewed at a FAANG… I was assigned a recruiter who communicated clearly and often with me, told exactly how many interviews I was doing (3), what each was about, and all 3 were scheduled on the same day, and were handled by extremely smart and supportive people. Offer came through by the end of the wee…
I found it funny that a week ago I got an email from a Google recruiter, offering me to enter their interviewing machinery. I bluntly told him that I rejected the offer because of the horror stories regarding 5-7 interviews in Google. The recruiter's reply was that it was ok of this was not an appropriate time for me , and that we would stay in touch. How can they be so dense? Of course it may be that they are also j…
Google interviews sound awful if I'm being honest. The last recruiter I spoke with said it involved a technical test and phone interview, after which they'd see what teams had openings and that it would be 3-4 2+ hour interviews per team before an offer was made if I was a fit. Who has the time for this?
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
They don't need you - they have tons of very talented people applying.
And I'm perfectly fine with that and agree with it. Maybe they should stop paying for outbound recruiting and save everyone time, given the tons of talented people that apply.
I guess they have so much money and need that much more talent that they'd rather just spend to sift through the talent pool faster. They also probably want to be sifting continuously - it can be a competitive strategy.
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It is super expensive to hire someone. The costs are enormous. Let's take a hire that will make $10,000 per month, nice round number. Someone in HR has to write the job description. This takes the HR person's time, the hiring manager, the hiring manager's boss just to get the information for a job description Job description cost with hiring manager: $500 Job description cost with hiring manager's boss: $500 HR perso…
Companies give tiny raises to loyal employees. If hiring is so expensive why don't companies make effort to retain employees by giving them raises that make their compensation at least at par with that of the new hires.
Sibling commenter gave you a complicated answer.
The one-word answer is: Greed. Never under-estimate the human capacity for emotion and character deficiency to get in the way of the rationally correct strategy.