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Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by vxNsr »

Apocryphon wrote: post #168
ForHackernews wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just an attempt. Toyota is the one of largest employers of Americans in the auto industry today: https://www.thomasnet.com/articles/top-suppliers/car-manufac...

True, they have plenty of plants, I just mean it sounds like NUMMI wasn't as successful as it could've been.

According to that story which I’ve listened to before, that partnership had a very specific set of goals, once those goals were achieved or deemed unachievable (as the case may be) the purpose of the plant no longer existed so they shut it down.

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Post by nmstoker »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #184
LAC-Tech wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why the reference to Geordies - natives of Newcastle - when the plant is in Sunderland? Google maps tells me those two places are only 14.3 miles away. So 1) that's pretty understandable to conflate and 2) a lot of people from Newcastle probably commute there.

My experience with the British is they frequently have stark rival differences in cultural identity based on which part of which city they live.

Not exclusively a British idiosyncrasy, given gangs and tribal habits elsewhere, but you're quite right that we Brits do take to various ways of distinguishing ourselves on sometimes questionable grounds! Location, education level, schools, universities, colleges within universities, accents, vocabulary, class, sports affiliations, it's endless!

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by kazen44 »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #184
LAC-Tech wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why the reference to Geordies - natives of Newcastle - when the plant is in Sunderland? Google maps tells me those two places are only 14.3 miles away. So 1) that's pretty understandable to conflate and 2) a lot of people from Newcastle probably commute there.

My experience with the British is they frequently have stark rival differences in cultural identity based on which part of which city they live.

same goes for many other places in europe aswell. (netherlands, germany, france etc).

just look at football rivalries to get the idea.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by systems_glitch »

Speaking from experience, if you're not into the semiconductor engineering side, consider looking for maintenance personnel positions with fabs. The work is interesting, your boss will probably hold a PhD and be competent, and you won't be stuck behind a desk all day.

Re: Will young Americans want to work in semiconductor manufacturing? [video]

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Post by kazen44 »

Existenceblinks wrote: post #151

Excellent. My background is computer engineering who enrolled shit load of computer network classes, interned for a Cisco gold partner, but then switched to software development. At some points my network engineers friends (and hardware stuff engineers) turned into software development, mostly web development. I'd like to add one more factor here. It's transferable knowledge AND cheap cost of building your own busine…

starting a networking company (except consulting) is extremely hard. Building an ISP is even harder and requires insane amounts of money.

Most of my friends in the network engineering field either work at companies that are large/complex enough to have challenging environments with proper networking hardware, or work as a freelance consultant for said companies.

The problem with career growth in network engineering is that, to grow in technical skills, usually larger networks are require to get access to gear and systems that can pose a challenge. Not a lot of those companies exist. Also, making a screw up in suchs an environment is far more detrimental than in a small network, because of the increased scale/complexity of the network.

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Post by kazen44 »

tristor wrote: post #137
xwdv wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people cannot escape. And it often surprises me how many people really don’t want to work in software.

Ironically, I much prefer hardware to software myself, but during college (while studying EE) decided that it was a deadend career path and figured out a way to be software-adjacent without having to be a developer. It worked out pretty well for me so far. The reality is that most people follow incentives, almost nobody works their actual dream job, they work the job that they have the most return for their abilities…

HW is also far more capital intensive to build compared to software, so usually far less companies have to resources to build HW based solutions.

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Post by kazen44 »

dijonman2 wrote: post #45
KingMachiavelli wrote: post #31

A substantial perk would be subsidized housing. A modern fab can cost ~$20B (maybe more in the US) and obviously the planning and permit process is likely also a couple order of magnitudes more difficult than normal real estate development. Spending ~$100M on employee housing would make the compensation a lot more competitive since software salaries are high but tend to be located in HCOL areas. Spend another ~$100M…

The last thing I would want is to live on a corporate campus. Lose my job and evicted at the same time? No thanks, plus I want privacy.

what about a company building housing for its employees.

This is something that happened a lot in the netherlands in the city of eindhoven. Phillips had its major manufacturing located in the city, and build massive housing projects to house its workers relatively close to the plant.

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Post by kazen44 »

godelski wrote: post #83
jleyank wrote: post #2

I think it will come down to money. People work with hot tar in the blazing sun for money, and toil in Amazon warehouses for money. Make it worth people's while and yeah, they'll work in semiconducting manufacturing.

It is interesting how often people push back against this solution. We see so many people choose careers based on the projected earnings. It is even a stereotype for immigrants: you can be a doctor, lawyer, (or now) software engineer. Ironically I think the rich would get richer if they chose to pay many of these employees more. We often frame things as zero sum games, but clearly this is a positive sum one. You inve…

heck, Henry ford started this buy increases wages so much his employees where able to buy the product they themselves have build.

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Post by cxr »

verall wrote: post #172
cxr wrote: post #164

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I can't corroborate this at all. I come from a CS background. If you leave school and enter the workforce at SAS, you will be at a disadvantage insofar as you are looking for a workplace that you hope to learn something from or one that you hope reinforces good engineering practices. The semiconductor industry, from the vantage point of an experienced systems thinker, reinforces awful engineering practices. All the t…

Not every semicon is SAS, I've heard similar things as what your friend has said about them though. No offense but your post comes off as someone who has spent their whole life in software and has no experience in semicon.

Maybe I didn't succeed at getting it across, but my anecdotes about SAS are not only by proxy. (I.e. my friend's experience and that alone.) I worked there.

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Post by pessimizer »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #176
chris_j wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why "ran" in the past tense? The plant is still running. And why the reference to Geordies - natives of Newcastle - when the plant is in Sunderland? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Motor_Manufacturing_U...

And why the reference to Geordies - natives of Newcastle - when the plant is in Sunderland? Google maps tells me those two places are only 14.3 miles away. So 1) that's pretty understandable to conflate and 2) a lot of people from Newcastle probably commute there.

14 miles in British is something like 200 miles in American.
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