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Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII

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Post by shakow »

dmichulke wrote: post #16
shakow wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember when France paid even more in 1815 and 1871 and didn't went on a genocidal rampage on their neighbors?

> The last payment of the indemnity was paid in early September 1873 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_indemnity Not sure you're comparing apples with apples here.

France paid in 1871 a sum in the same ballpark than Germany should have paid in 1918.

The difference was that France paid in full and in advance (so much in full that the cash influx actually caused a crash in Germany – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_indemnity#Aftermath), whereas Germany tergiversed, delayed, and printed money like their was no tomorrow, sacrificing their econoomy on the altar of spiting their debtor – which eventually turned into their favor, as their reparations were shrinked to virtually nothing.

Sources: Tooze, Wage of Destruction; Memories of a Magician, Schacht.

Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII

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Post by mywittyname »

soco wrote: post #60
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Poland is widely hated by its neighbors I'd say, "the current right-wing government is widely hated by most of its citizens." The mine case was just one of the many cases when they showed their glaring incompetence. I mean, they could have solved the problem a long time ago but by their arrogance decided to ignore it, then the case went to court and they had to do it anyway and pay a nice sum of money. Everybody is…

If it was so widely hated how come it got reelected?

There are lots of ways that, even in a democracy, widely hated politicians can remain in power. Gerrymandering, low turnout, voter apathy, split voting, etc.

Poland's 2020 election was very controversial, and Duda won by the slimmest of margins.

Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII

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Post by baq »

411111111111111 wrote: post #25
myth_drannon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of disinformation is not to out someone but to destroy trust in all information. So you actually can't decide is it a truth or not, is it Russia that is trying to saw discord or is he truly a Russian agent.

So people still trust any information? Personally I've lost mine ages ago. There is no way to discern truth from propaganda without investing an unsustainable amount of time researching. The internet ceased to be a source of truth when the people with motive realized that the populous get their information from it. It's fine for technical learning and easily proven facts, but any political information or any with sig…

this is how the FSB wins. after the smart people stop trusting to the point of not caring at all, the easily manipulated masses get fed whatever the FSB needs at the moment.

Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII

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Post by fsckboy »

orangepurple wrote: post #49
buscoquadnary wrote: post #20

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So it looks like this mine produces coal which I am assuming is used for power generation. Don't know if I can blame them for not shutting it down while the message coming from the rest of Europe is that everyone's going to be doing an IRL game of Frostpunk this winter.

This was before the Russian energy crisis. Poland refused to give up energy independence.

that's not really a counter argument since their neighbors except Russia are experiencing energy shortages.

Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII

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Post by julienreszka »

advisedwang wrote: post #23
tester756 wrote: post #19

I've been hearing this for years just google: "poland reparations before:2022" what has changed this time?

The rise of the polish right wing, which uses this as part of a victimhood narrative.

So nothing new

Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII

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Post by end_of_line »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #54
orangepurple wrote: post #7

The Polish government is being pulled in a few interesting directions. For instance, as of 20 Sep, 2021: Poland must pay a daily penalty of €500,000 ($585,550) for ignoring a previous order from the European Union’s top court to cease operations at the Turow lignite mine, with its CEO slamming the fine as “bizarre”. On Monday, the EU’s Court of Justice (CJEU) confirmed it was enforcing the financial penalty against W…

That's already resolved https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/czech-polish-leaders-re... Whole problem was that "big hole" is sucking water from immediate surroundings and turning it into desert, not spoiling the water. Part of the agreement is construction of wall which will prevent that. There are disputes here and there, but I would not use world "hated"

Czech people hate Polish and that's fact. However, regarding this brown coal mine, czech coal mines are very nearby and these ones are not toxic / dangerous to the environment? Sure, they are and my father took part in installing early warning system on many rivers coming from czech as they are being constantly polluted by them. Of course, when czech do it, it's completely fine

Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII

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Post by 988747 »

SapporoChris wrote: post #34
parasense wrote: post #9

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The reparations for Poland has been ongoing since the end of WW2, however since Poland went into the Iron Curtain, the reparations they did receive were given to the soviet union, who didn't provide them to Poland. And by now the memory of the 6 million dead Polish is distant or non-existent.

I was in Poland for eight months recently. I saw evidence all around that they very well remember their holocaust. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Poland There are plenty of crowded museums with long lines of people waiting to get in. There are plenty of monuments, and there is plenty of anger. However, please enlighten me. I would be interested in evidence of a distant or non-existent memory of 6 mill…

I think they meant "in the West". Which makes sense: US and UK sold us to Stalin in Jalta, so they had to wipe the memory of Polish participation in WWII (or at least downplay it), so their societies could feel good about themselves.

Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

soco wrote: post #60
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Poland is widely hated by its neighbors I'd say, "the current right-wing government is widely hated by most of its citizens." The mine case was just one of the many cases when they showed their glaring incompetence. I mean, they could have solved the problem a long time ago but by their arrogance decided to ignore it, then the case went to court and they had to do it anyway and pay a nice sum of money. Everybody is…

If it was so widely hated how come it got reelected?

They are the first government that openly buys votes. They focus on their core groups, that is mainly elderly people, and promise them money if they vote for them, at the same time scaring them saying that if they vote for the opposition, this money will be taken away. It is one of the main reason that in spite of universal hatred they still have 30% support, mainly from the elderly.

Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

end_of_line wrote: post #77
TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's already resolved https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/czech-polish-leaders-re... Whole problem was that "big hole" is sucking water from immediate surroundings and turning it into desert, not spoiling the water. Part of the agreement is construction of wall which will prevent that. There are disputes here and there, but I would not use world "hated"

Czech people hate Polish and that's fact. However, regarding this brown coal mine, czech coal mines are very nearby and these ones are not toxic / dangerous to the environment? Sure, they are and my father took part in installing early warning system on many rivers coming from czech as they are being constantly polluted by them. Of course, when czech do it, it's completely fine

> Czech people hate Polish and that's fact.

No, this is just your opinion. Even the new Polish ambassador in Czechia, chosen by the current right-wing government, very openly said that the behavior of the Polish government was stupid and he doesn't understand it, because it could be solved easily straight away. And instead of listening to him, they started to shout "Treason!" all over Twitter and finally they dismissed him. Now again they can't find anyone who would be stupid enough to agree to take on this post:

https://www.gov.pl/web/czechy/personel

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