It's funny how Poland and Belarus are doing the same thing: https://www.belarus.by/en/government/events/belarus-material...
Not sure what to make out of this
Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
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Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#32Germany might want some change from the land they ceded to Poland.
ww2 all over again
"hey guys lets make germany pay more than we should reasonably ask for a long time, that never went wrong before."
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#33The Polish government is being pulled in a few interesting directions. For instance, as of 20 Sep, 2021: Poland must pay a daily penalty of €500,000 ($585,550) for ignoring a previous order from the European Union’s top court to cease operations at the Turow lignite mine, with its CEO slamming the fine as “bizarre”. On Monday, the EU’s Court of Justice (CJEU) confirmed it was enforcing the financial penalty against W…
> Poland is widely hated by its neighbors
I'd say, "the current right-wing government is widely hated by most of its citizens." The mine case was just one of the many cases when they showed their glaring incompetence. I mean, they could have solved the problem a long time ago but by their arrogance decided to ignore it, then the case went to court and they had to do it anyway and pay a nice sum of money. Everybody is angry about this, not just the neighbors, because it's not these incompetent and corrupt puppets that are going to pay but Polish citizens.
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#34No, there is a political party that has put this forward as part of its campaign preparations. There is no broad or publicly demonstrated support for reparations demands in Poland.
The reparations for Poland has been ongoing since the end of WW2, however since Poland went into the Iron Curtain, the reparations they did receive were given to the soviet union, who didn't provide them to Poland. And by now the memory of the 6 million dead Polish is distant or non-existent.
I was in Poland for eight months recently. I saw evidence all around that they very well remember their holocaust. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Poland There are plenty of crowded museums with long lines of people waiting to get in. There are plenty of monuments, and there is plenty of anger.
However, please enlighten me. I would be interested in evidence of a distant or non-existent memory of 6 million dead Polish.
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Remember when France paid even more in 1815 and 1871 and didn't went on a genocidal rampage on their neighbors?
> Remember when France paid even more in 1815 and 1871 and didn't went on a genocidal rampage on their neighbors? I don't know that I'd say that, like I who to blame for WWI is a very contentious subject and ultimately I'd say that the blame does rest on the German leaders, including the Kasier and German General Staff, but to pretend France has no culpability is a little disingenuous. I'd say that WWI was pretty muc…
the germans are absolutely not responsible for ww1 at all, it was a war between austria-hungary and serbia that russia entered into.
it was a chain reaction of treaties.
the only one germany 100% caused unneeded trouble for was belgium.
As for both world wars, france has a habit of pushing germany to fight because they get to arrogant.
Furthermore france actually did go on a genocidal bent right after ww2 in algeria, and even place nazi collaborators in charge of this algerian genocide!
the allies are a lot less clean than we pretend.
We can acknowledge the nazis were evil without simultaneously over-demonizing the german empire and over-praising the allies.
ww1 was a war caused by treaties and hubris
ww2 was a war caused by angry people electing a maniac
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#36Why just Germany? Russia invaded the country at more or less the same time. (Stalin dragged his feet for a week.) They even took up more square miles. And after the war, they did horrible things like keep Buchenwald running for their own purposes.
A good place to understand this is to read _Bloodlands_ by Timothy Snyder. Send a bill to both of them I say.
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#37Germany paid reparations to Israel which had a lot of Polish jews (that can include western Belarus as well).
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Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#38The Polish government is being pulled in a few interesting directions. For instance, as of 20 Sep, 2021: Poland must pay a daily penalty of €500,000 ($585,550) for ignoring a previous order from the European Union’s top court to cease operations at the Turow lignite mine, with its CEO slamming the fine as “bizarre”. On Monday, the EU’s Court of Justice (CJEU) confirmed it was enforcing the financial penalty against W…
> The Polish government is being pulled in a few interesting directions. For instance, as of 20 Sep, 2021: > Poland must pay a daily penalty of €500,000 ($585,550) for ignoring a previous order from the European Union’s top court to cease operations at the Turow lignite mine, with its CEO slamming the fine as “bizarre”. > On Monday, the EU’s Court of Justice (CJEU) confirmed it was enforcing the financial penalty aga…
Seems like maybe that section of the border was specifically carved out to include the mine maybe?
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point of disinformation is not to out someone but to destroy trust in all information. So you actually can't decide is it a truth or not, is it Russia that is trying to saw discord or is he truly a Russian agent.
So people still trust any information? Personally I've lost mine ages ago. There is no way to discern truth from propaganda without investing an unsustainable amount of time researching. The internet ceased to be a source of truth when the people with motive realized that the populous get their information from it. It's fine for technical learning and easily proven facts, but any political information or any with sig…
I lost trust too. Disinformation won.
Re: Poland plans to seek $1.3T in reparations from Germany for WWII
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Remember when France paid even more in 1815 and 1871 and didn't went on a genocidal rampage on their neighbors? I don't know that I'd say that, like I who to blame for WWI is a very contentious subject and ultimately I'd say that the blame does rest on the German leaders, including the Kasier and German General Staff, but to pretend France has no culpability is a little disingenuous. I'd say that WWI was pretty muc…
the germans are absolutely not responsible for ww1 at all, it was a war between austria-hungary and serbia that russia entered into. it was a chain reaction of treaties. the only one germany 100% caused unneeded trouble for was belgium. As for both world wars, france has a habit of pushing germany to fight because they get to arrogant. Furthermore france actually did go on a genocidal bent right after ww2 in algeria,…
What??
> france has a habit of pushing germany to fight because they get to arrogant.
"she was asking for it"
Going to say that about Ukraine, too?
Germany started an invasion of another country. Austria-Hungary only invaded Serbia because of German support.
'Historian Joachim Remak says:
The nation that...can still be held least responsible for the outbreak of the war is France. This is so even if we bear in mind all the revisions of historical judgments, and all the revisions of these revisions, to which we have now been treated....The French, in 1914, entered the war because they had no alternative. The Germans had attacked them. History can be very simple at times.'