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Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?
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#122Reminder that population is Pakistan's population 6x it was at 1950. In 2050 its expected to be 370 million people compared to 37 million in 1950. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Pakistan
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Pakistan's population in 2050 will be closer to 37 million than to 370 million.
Current pop is 220M, already closer to 370 ... I can see it not growing much, but not decreasing.
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#124I clicked back through the years available for my city on weatherspark.com Back in the 90s, never above 90-91 in Sept. In the last 10 years we started seeing 94-95 in Sept. Coincidentally air travel has doubled in that time period; from 2.25 billion people flying in 2010 to 4.56 billion in 2019. Of course that cratered since 2020. Thanks AirBnB and other apps that make burning fossil fuels a thoughtless, trivial thin…
> Thanks AirBnB and other apps that make burning fossil fuels a thoughtless, trivial thing? Your outrage is misdirected to something you probably personally relate to. Leisure travel is a minuscule component of the carbon in the atmosphere. Leisure travel is a fly hitching a ride on the beast that is global logistics, and AirBnb making leisure travel slightly cheaper and easier is a drop in the bucket for all leisure…
“Outrage”.
Your qualification of my emotions is way off.
2.4% when talking tonnes may be a small percent relative to the “big picture” but it’s not 0 tonnes, it has an impact, and production of machines to produce planes, production of more planes to keep up with rising demand are not included in that 2.4%. Leisure travel across the planet is not exactly a requirement for the survival of the species.
It’s still pushing our choices onto future humans.
Since statistics are what matters to you; you’re one of seven billion; your perspective is not that important.
Probably best to avoid overly reductive rhetoric, the basis of which (statistical relevance) can be easily used against you. More co2 is released in service of the airline industry than just planes flying. The world is not made of singular statistical objects in a vacuum.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00376-022-2034-1 Unlikely. At least a single volcanic eruption is not enough to change the long-term climate trend, you need a clusters of eruptions to persist through centuries for that. HTHH will likely decrease the global mean surface temperatures by 0.004°C in the first year. Compared to that human activity is a thousand times more significant, everything else is statist…
> At least a single volcanic eruption is not enough to change the long-term climate trend, you need a clusters of eruptions to persist through centuries for that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa “ The eruption caused a volcanic winter.[17] In the year following the eruption, average Northern Hemisphere summer temperatures fell by 0.4 °C (0.72 °F).[18] The record rainfall that hit Southern Ca…
GP said "long-term climate trend" and then mentioned centuries. Yes, an especially large eruption can influence things for a year or two. But then the effect settles out.
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#126"Pakistan is home to over 7,200 glaciers, more than anywhere outside the poles. Rising temperatures, linked to climate change, are likely making many of them melt faster and earlier, adding water to rivers and streams that are already swollen by rainfall." https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2022/8/30/23327341/pa...
> Pakistan is home to over 7,200 glaciers, more than anywhere outside the poles It seems odd to give a measure of ice as the count of the pieces.
Kind of, right? But it also makes sense. We might talk about a highly populated country having a lot of cities -- even though cities are just somewhat loosely defined pieces of the population total.
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#127I clicked back through the years available for my city on weatherspark.com Back in the 90s, never above 90-91 in Sept. In the last 10 years we started seeing 94-95 in Sept. Coincidentally air travel has doubled in that time period; from 2.25 billion people flying in 2010 to 4.56 billion in 2019. Of course that cratered since 2020. Thanks AirBnB and other apps that make burning fossil fuels a thoughtless, trivial thin…
I doubt people going on a vacation a couple times per year is even a line item in the list of causes of burning fossil fuels. However, at the beginning of the pandemic, with fewer cargo vessels and even fewer personal vehicles burning fuel, we saw a measureable improvement to the environment within days.
The planes in the air are not the only release of co2 required to provide air travel.
There’s an industrial pipeline of machines to mine materials and machines to produce planes, all the travel to and from airports. The drink service carts don’t just fall from the sky or grow on trees, they too have an entire industrial pipeline required for their production. Making travel easier puts more strain on planes necessitating more parts and net new planes sooner.
The world is a miasma of statistics making up “the big picture”.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
We need to airdrop more beavers, clearly.
This might actually not be a bad idea. That being said I think a lot of the environments would be too dry for beavers and not contain enough trees. Or conversely be too alpine. So basically we need genetically engineered super beavers that are adapted for high altitude mountaineering. On another note I find it hilarious and also cruel that beavers are apparently absolutely obsessed with stopping the sound of any runn…
Using naturally skilled animals to pick up where we humans either fail or deny an issue is something we should seriously consider as a hedge at this point. If we can get extremely rich people even more rich by doing so, we may have a chance at it catching on.
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#129Reminder that population is Pakistan's population 6x it was at 1950. In 2050 its expected to be 370 million people compared to 37 million in 1950. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Pakistan
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Pakistan's population in 2050 will be closer to 37 million than to 370 million.
This sounds extreme, but it's not as extreme as everyone seems to think.
200M is closer to 37M (+163M) than 370M (-170M).
OP is saying a 10% decrease is more likely than the population staying even.
I disagree - but not as wildly as I would if OP was saying that the population is likely to actually be close to 37M.
200M is quite far from 37M... It's just that 370M is even farther...
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#130I read someone else suggest Permaculture as a way of mitigating some of the affects of monsoons in these types of areas. Does anyone have any evidences of such a thing working?
I can't see how it could help having tons of plastic also floating in the river and expensive gravel filling the river bottom. The best way would still be to work with the monsoon, not against it. But maybe I'm not understanding the solution. Can you explain more the idea?
Permaculture has nothing to do with tons of plastic nor gravel filling the river bottom.
Permaculture is: the development of agricultural ecosystems intended to be sustainable and self-sufficient.
I presume GP meant that by having more persistent vegetation in the area, that vegitation would do vegetation things and help with flood control.