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Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Post by jibe »

88840-8855 wrote: post #7
time_to_smile wrote: post #3

I think it's worth pointing out that the impacts of climate change are often presented as singular effects: rising sea level, warmer summers, increased drought, etc. But as we can see here there is also a very strong interaction effect between all of these (and it tends to magnify the issues rather than having them cancel out). This is also why many major climate reports tend to inherently be on the conservative side…

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How about not shutting down German nuclear plants, and not buying "clean natural gas from mother russia".

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Post by barbazoo »

88840-8855 wrote: post #7
time_to_smile wrote: post #3

I think it's worth pointing out that the impacts of climate change are often presented as singular effects: rising sea level, warmer summers, increased drought, etc. But as we can see here there is also a very strong interaction effect between all of these (and it tends to magnify the issues rather than having them cancel out). This is also why many major climate reports tend to inherently be on the conservative side…

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Is there such a thing as "clean gas" and if so, how does Russian gas qualify here?

Also, isn't it Russia that's throttling gas delivery to 20% right now?

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Post by mc32 »

88840-8855 wrote: post #7
time_to_smile wrote: post #3

I think it's worth pointing out that the impacts of climate change are often presented as singular effects: rising sea level, warmer summers, increased drought, etc. But as we can see here there is also a very strong interaction effect between all of these (and it tends to magnify the issues rather than having them cancel out). This is also why many major climate reports tend to inherently be on the conservative side…

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Highlighted by the stupidity of not buying directly from Russia at normal prices but instead buying the same hydrocarbons extracted by Russia from war washing third parties like China and India who resell Russian hydrocarbons to those who for political reasons can’t buy directly but can buy indirectly at inflated prices!!

It’s the height of stupidity.

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Post by barbazoo »

time_to_smile wrote: post #3

I think it's worth pointing out that the impacts of climate change are often presented as singular effects: rising sea level, warmer summers, increased drought, etc. But as we can see here there is also a very strong interaction effect between all of these (and it tends to magnify the issues rather than having them cancel out). This is also why many major climate reports tend to inherently be on the conservative side…

I chuckled when I saw your username together with your probably not far fetched but damning prediction of what's to come.

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Post by peteradio »

CommanderData wrote: post #10

I read someone else suggest Permaculture as a way of mitigating some of the affects of monsoons in these types of areas. Does anyone have any evidences of such a thing working?

Sounds ridiculous on its face, and that is as a practitioner of permaculture. I couldn't really get my head around how it could possibly make even a slight dent against the massive flooding witnessed here.

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Post by 88840-8855 »

jibe wrote: post #11
88840-8855 wrote: post #7

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How about not shutting down German nuclear plants, and not buying "clean natural gas from mother russia".

Beep boop. Not a Russian bot, a German one who is just pissed of by the current politics and the elitist decisions.

And I hate it that any alternative proposed to the current kamikaze politics is called "Russian bots".

Yes, German nuclear plants was yet another trash decision and pushed again by the fear agitated by the Green Party. And yet, the majority wants nuclear, the Greens are against it.

We need REALPOLITIK and not this ideological trash. And REALPOLITIK to beat the biggest thread: global warming... and not some random conflicts between random countries nobody cared about 7 months ago and some random old pseudo-dictators that will anyway not be alive in a few years anymore.

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Post by 88840-8855 »

barbazoo wrote: post #12
88840-8855 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Is there such a thing as "clean gas" and if so, how does Russian gas qualify here? Also, isn't it Russia that's throttling gas delivery to 20% right now?

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Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Post by barbazoo »

mc32 wrote: post #13
88840-8855 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Highlighted by the stupidity of not buying directly from Russia at normal prices but instead buying the same hydrocarbons extracted by Russia from war washing third parties like China and India who resell Russian hydrocarbons to those who for political reasons can’t buy directly but can buy indirectly at inflated prices!! It’s the height of stupidity.

As far as I can tell, e.g. (1), the EU does not get gas from China or India.

(1) https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/europea...

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Post by _eht »

jmyeet wrote: post #9

While it's absolutely true there is a confluence of factors here (eg glacial melt, heat wave and a depression) and that these events are more likely with global warming, I'm disappointed this article didn't cover another important factor: dams. Flooding used to be a much bigger problem in the Western United States and it was solved with dams. Yes, there is thd risk of dam failure but we're weighing up the real and pr…

We need to airdrop more beavers, clearly.

Re: Why are Pakistan’s floods so extreme this year?

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Post by morsch »

bagels wrote: post #5
prpl wrote: post #4

no mention of the Hunga Tonga–Hunga Ha'apai eruption? It sounds like that eruption at least changed atmospheric composition by throwing tons of water into it.

Do you have any sources that discuss this?

The undersea eruption also ejected 146 million tons of South Pacific Ocean water into the stratosphere.[56] The amount of water vapor ejected was 10 percent of the atmosphere's typical stock.[57] It was enough to temporarily warm the surface of Earth. This water vapour was estimated to remain for 5–10 years.[55]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Hunga_Tonga%E2%80%93Hunga...

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