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Rapamycin, drug used in cancer therapy, emerges as powerful anti-aging remedy

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Re: Rapamycin, drug used in cancer therapy, emerges as powerful anti-aging remedy

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I'm a month into taking rapa and already I feel like it's having a noticeable effect. I'm curious what others on this threads dosage looks like. If you prefer to keep it private, you can email me directly (my email is on my profile). I'm currently taking 2mg once a week on my rest day; I started with 1mg and after 1 month added another MG. I'll continue each month until I reach 8MG once a week, which is the dosage th…

I have been taking Rapamycin for 19 weeks and NR and Metformin (for anti-aging) for much longer and I can't see any difference. I'm 50+. I generally, however, feel excellent, as well as I remember when I was younger so long as I have gotten lots of sleep and don't have a cold. When I'm sick or tired I feel much worse than I did, however.

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If you think about it, there are specific parts of our immune systems that are likely entirely maladaptive given modern civilization, where people are ~never exposed to parasites, animal venoms, etc. We can turn those parts off, while leaving everything else on, and be better for it (no allergies, psoriatic arthritis, MS, Chron’s, etc.; and so none of the accelerated cellular senescence those conditions provoke in af…

Deactivating parts of the immune system wouldn't be simpler than giving receptor blockers. Everything in the body is connected to one another, and whatever circulating immune signaling proteins are involved could have numerous other effects on other non-immune cells. There's also no reason to think that the immune system is so easily split up between systems that respond to parasites, bacteria, and virii. While a hum…

> There's also no reason to think that the immune system is so easily split up between systems that respond to parasites, bacteria, and virii.

Well, sure. We essentially have multiple "immune systems", with overlapping goals. (Sort of like having both an anti-virus and anti-spyware scanner installed, as well as a system integrity checker, secure-boot verification logic, etc.)

Some immune responses are good at stopping all sorts of things (e.g. xenoreactive antibodies, which attack both parasites, bacteria, and cancer cells.) I wouldn't suggest doing anything to these. Conveniently, these processes don't tend to cause many long-term health problems, save in edge cases (e.g. xenograft implantation.)

Other immune responses are more specialized. And — also conveniently — it's the reactions/systems that specialize in responding to things we see almost none of in "city living", that seem to do bad things for longevity.

Parasite-specialist immune cells (mast cells), for example, cause a lot of chronic inflammatory problems. We've been preventing mast cells from doing their jobs for a long time now — that's the point of taking antihistamines — with very little negative to show for it. I don't think it would be much of a stretch from there to a treatment for allergies that's just a siRNA that "NOPs out" the entire immune-response functionality of mast cells. (Or even a "permanent" treatment for allergies, via CRISPR gene edit to rub out the definition of mast-cell antigen recognition receptors from the body's vocabulary.)

And I would also say that it's not much of a stretch to hypothesize that people who had this done, would, under longitudinal studies, show increased longevity / QUALYs. "Never having an [even sub-clinical] allergic reaction" would do really good things for the body. At the cost of — for most people reading this — just having to avoid sashimi.

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You can't synthesize some of the amino acids. I wouldn't think such a diet is survivable.

I guess the raw vegetables contain just enough protein to survive

raw vegetables do not contain all amino acids and moreover they cannot be absorbed. You need pulses and sprouted

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Exposure is uncommon, not basically never.

Depends on where you live. For the average human on Earth: sure, merely uncommon. For the average person who lives in a city and rarely goes out into nature, and paranoid-ly avoids doing things like walking barefoot in dung or wearing shortsleeves in forests when they do: effectively never.

If you live within the malaria zone (and an awful lot of people do) being in a city isn't protection. And the main threat from short sleeves in the forest is things that want your blood, not parasite infection.

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That is a very shallow perspective. Fasting causes large, measurable phase changes in cellular function (eg autophagy). You can question whether it actually works or not, but there's a very plausible mechanism for why it would work that isn't simply related to calories-in-calories-out weight loss.

I think it's fair to say that we don't have to do something just because there's a plausible mechanism for a benefit. If there are clear and obvious health benefits that are far beyond what you see with a regular calorically restricted diet, I haven't heard them well explained.

I think we are talking past each other actually - I read your question "how did it make you healthier?" as in "how did it act to make you healthier?" and now I think you were saying "how did you determine it made you healthier?". Ambiguity of English strikes again...

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When somebody asks about what is the next big thing, I always think on anti-aging. If you think that you don’t want to live forever, imagine that today when you arrive home you find a note saying that you will die exactly 1531[^1] days from today. How would you feel? With that said, I would stay away from miracle drugs, because no two human beings have the same physiology. But that’s not an unsolvable problem. [^1]:…

I think this is a great example of "what's good for the individual, is bad for humanity as a whole". Imagine we'd discovered a drug that adds 100 years to a persons natural life. Now imagine this drug was discovered 100 years ago. J.D. Rockefeller and the likes would still be alive and influencing politics. I can't even begin to think how much humanity would stagnate after such an invention. See also the Planck princ…

People don't need life-extending drugs to hold onto power or ways of doing things, that's what dynasties are for. And if in a democracy somebody like J.D. Rockefeller gets a voice that is too loud, then the democracy is flawed and we the citizens are ultimately at fault.

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I fast a lot, right now I do 36 - 72h every 6 - 8 weeks. The hardest moment is right when your body is about to switch from using glucose to using ketone bodies for energy. After that the hunger, feeling anxious, etc stops. The time it takes to get to that point (when feeling "bad" intensifies) and how long the transition takes can be influenced. Primarily, by what you eat before you fast. In general, avoid eating ca…

Oh I forgot about the tricks. Thanks. I also use the tricks mentioned above. They are very useful. Additional tricks: - Use fiber supplements in your water sometime in the middle of your fast (simplest time is in the morning in lieu of breakfast). I use psyllium husk. - Soup (or rather broth) is a fasting bff. Remember miso, herbs, spices, salt, do not have calories. Flavor your water liberally. Change up the consist…

Great tips. I'm going to try having more soup.

Re: Rapamycin, drug used in cancer therapy, emerges as powerful anti-aging remedy

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https://rapamycinstudy.org/ is collecting data on off-label use according to https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2022/04/collecting-data-... (reasonatllm who runs that site hasn't commented on this site recently, perhaps they are busy running https://www.repairbiotechnologies.com/ )

Whoops, I meant reasonattllm.
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