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Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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There's a lot of dishonesty in this comment. I encourage people to watch the video linked above. The relevant part is 3m30s in and judge for themselves. He very clearly did not say anything close to what you claim. I really don't understand your hate.

Here’s the video since my original comment was flagged. How is that hate? I quoted what he said word for word at 3:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFqWZYW4Boc

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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I'm seeing several comments here demonstrating that some people do not understand the long conflict between Palestine and Israel. That's too bad, but understandable, as the United States government in particular has been uniquely supportive of Israel and has defended its interest. Public criticism has been easily squashed by dismissing anything negative regarding Israel's policies as anti-Semitic.

There's a great documentary on the subject called Roadmap To Apartheid and I encourage folks to check it out. It describes Israel/Palestine as an Apartheid state, comparing it to Apartheid South Africa (and even discusses how the two governments cooperated with one another). It was released in 2012 and is about 95 minutes long.

A little ironically, the most convenient way to stream it is to pay a few bucks to YouTube or Amazon. Here is the YouTube link: https://youtu.be/s_hFKinVdBQ

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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post #8

> “Due to retaliation, a hostile environment, and illegal actions by the company, I cannot continue to work at Google and have no choice but to leave the company at the end of this week,” Ariel Koren said in a statement posted Tuesday to Medium. Many people is missing the point. "Retaliation" is illegal. > Google denied retaliation and the National Labor Relations Board found no wrongdoing after an investigation In m…

Boycotting Israel gets your company in trouble with various state governments in the US, like no supplying services to the government, and in Arkansas, it gets even more viral in that people you supply services to are forbidden from supplying services to the government. My RH contract specifically forbade boycotting Israel, I'm sure for those reasons. And of course, I imagine that Israel has laws about doing business…

Its unconstitutional and needs to be challenged on a state by state level. In Georgia the state was sued because Abby Martin (a famous critic of Israel) was barred from speaking at a University unless she signed a pledge not to boycott. The state lost but basically changed the law to raise the monetary amount that would trigger the requirement. All these BS laws were pushed quietly by local groups and now it is a uphill battle to challenge them and get them removed. I wish your organization would challenge the law instead of just letting this wrong continue to erode what little freedoms we have left.

Same thing is happening in the culture wars. The nutjobs are slowly getting elected onto school boards and other local positions so they can start adding prayer/ban civil rights related content/remove any references to CRT.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

#194

I'm seeing several comments here demonstrating that some people do not understand the long conflict between Palestine and Israel. That's too bad, but understandable, as the United States government in particular has been uniquely supportive of Israel and has defended its interest. Public criticism has been easily squashed by dismissing anything negative regarding Israel's policies as anti-Semitic. There's a great doc…

I am sorry to see you are being auto downvoted but yeah discussion of this is always heavily squashed here and on Reddit. It seems like a hopeless situation but I am happy to see that the younger generation has differing views with their Boomer parents. Maybe something will come of that. Thanks for the documentary, I'll check it out and promote it as much as I can.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Are you saying the decayed Palestinian leadership justifies their peoples abuse?

I wouldn't call abuse the legitimate fight against an oppressor.

to be clear I meant the abuse of palestinian ppl by israel

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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post #8

> “Due to retaliation, a hostile environment, and illegal actions by the company, I cannot continue to work at Google and have no choice but to leave the company at the end of this week,” Ariel Koren said in a statement posted Tuesday to Medium. Many people is missing the point. "Retaliation" is illegal. > Google denied retaliation and the National Labor Relations Board found no wrongdoing after an investigation In m…

That's irrelevant. Even if a company did punish an employee for protesting a contract with Israel, that wouldn't legally be considered "retaliation" under US federal law. The timing doesn't matter.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying the decayed Palestinian leadership justifies their peoples abuse?

It doesn’t justify but it prolongs it. The so called “resistance” everyone here is encouraged to form and sympathize with, at some point you realize why do I as someone sitting far away have to care so much more when their own leadership and some of their own people in upper echelons are willingly happy to let everything rot including things within their full control? Suffering is not justified but you can easily thr…

their future well-being is of no concern to the apartheid mission so it's pretty out there to talk as if any aims are designed toward their welfare

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Israel deserves to exist as much as any other country

Many will argue that settler-colonialist state based on religion does not have automatic right to exist similar to how white Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa (which used to be big friend of Israel) did not have right to exist and do not exist anymore. What is also true is that jewish, muslim, christian and atheist/other religions living in current territory of Israel and Palestine have right to peacefully live in f…

> settler-colonialist state based on religion

Are you referring to Jewish colonialists coming to British ruled Palestine in the early 20th century, Muslim colonialists conquering Byzantine ruled Palestina in the early 7th century, Roman colonialists that exiled Jews and renamed the area Palestina in the early 2nd century after previous conquest, Greeks, Persians, Babylonians, Assyrians or Egyptians?

Or maybe how according to the bible the Israelites conquered the area from the native Canaanites? (Which at least according to Wikipedia is a myth and they actually are those Canaanites)

> With Israeli settlements we are way pass the point of two state solution.

Sadly, English Wikipedia has very little information on the peace agreement that was almost signed at the time of the Annapolis Conference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis_Conference compared to the Hebrew entry on the peace talks themselves https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%97%D7%95%D7%AA... Those talks outline the (pretty obvious) path to pece via territory exchange and the fact they were very close to being signed show to me that maybe common ground can be found again.

My personal hope is that the more unreasonable settlements will just be exchanged away and thus won't pose a serious barrier to peace. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic.

To inject some pessimism, I also don't see how a peace agreement can be signed with Hammas and the PIJ in control as in my mind a peace agreement will probably cause them to implode.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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post #6

“In her statement, Koren also singled out “Jewglers,” a forum for Jewish Google employees, for not accommodating Jews who hold anti-Zionist views.” Zionism is the belief that Israel has the right to exist, and that Jews have the right to live in Israel. If you are against this, your views are quite extremist and it is hard to find understanding and accommodation, particularly among fellow Jews.

> If you are against this, your views are quite extremist and it is hard to find understanding and accommodation, particularly among fellow Jews. It's a bit more complicated than this. Israel militarily occupies Palestine. And they institute an apartheid system that is unfair to Palestinians, denying basic rights to Palestinians -- they can take your property, they can restrict your travel, they can strangle your eco…

> they're advocating for a one-state solution so that inhabitants of Palestine/Israel can get democratic representation & equal rights. Again, not a crazy take.

This is roughly like advocating for ending the Russian-Ukrainian conflict by advocating for a one-state solution where the inhabitants can get democratic representation & equal rights.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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post #159

It is effortless for me to keep my political opinions airgapped from my work environment. While I emphatically believe my political positions are correct, I know that plenty of people don't agree with me on contentious topics. To bring my politics to work, especially as a senior leader, borders on abuse of power, because my role in the organization would confer unearned authority to my political opinions. I learned t…

If you don't bring your political opinions to work someone else will. It isn't politically neutral to build AI systems for the Israeli defense forces. So someone, somewhere in Google clearly is bringing their politics to work. So to thn point at the person being fired for disagreeing and saying "Well you shouldn't bring your politics to work" is disingenuous. The only thing that your approach does is allow the political decisions that do get made, to go unchallenged.
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