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Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by elzbardico »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #89
mercy_dude wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mostly agree with you. I used to be as pro-Israel as it gets but after my visits to that area I think the burden you mr average Joe Palestinian has to bear to for example just to do normal things such as going to work or driving to see the family or take a flight that we all take for granted, is too excessive. A Palestinian depending on where he works could have somewhere between 3-5hrs commute depending on the numbe…

Are you saying the decayed Palestinian leadership justifies their peoples abuse?

I wouldn't call abuse the legitimate fight against an oppressor.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by nailer »

botanical wrote: post #12

I applaud her for her courage. Israel has seemingly been given leeway to do as they please when it comes to Palestianian freedom of movement. And Google's none the better with their AI drone programme. I mean Palestinians have it hard to put it lightly. Israel is an Apartheid State that's enacting a harsh Apartheid system against these people: * Illegal Settlers living in Palestine can vote in Israel but not Palestin…

Israel has offered the Palestinians statehood multiple times, as well as offering it to Jordan to run.

If you think Jewish people don’t deserve to live somewhere where Jewish people have always lived, but think French people are allowed to live in France, then you may hate Jews.

You use the term 'apartheid state' as if Israel not supporting Palestianians is a racial decision against Arabs. In what apartheid state can you have an Arab MP argue with another Arabic MP in Arabic in parliament?

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by imchillyb »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #14
hourago wrote: post #8

> “Due to retaliation, a hostile environment, and illegal actions by the company, I cannot continue to work at Google and have no choice but to leave the company at the end of this week,” Ariel Koren said in a statement posted Tuesday to Medium. Many people is missing the point. "Retaliation" is illegal. > Google denied retaliation and the National Labor Relations Board found no wrongdoing after an investigation In m…

Boycotting Israel gets your company in trouble with various state governments in the US, like no supplying services to the government, and in Arkansas, it gets even more viral in that people you supply services to are forbidden from supplying services to the government. My RH contract specifically forbade boycotting Israel, I'm sure for those reasons. And of course, I imagine that Israel has laws about doing business…

Israel exists because Israel as a nation state is a tiny ally-island in a sea of enemy-aggressors.

Why do you think so many politicians, that claim atheism, are still in favor of our alliance with Israel?

We need them there.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by LtWorf »

case0x00 wrote: post #87
kurupt213 wrote: post #77

Where’s the disgust about working China, the modern day Nazis

quite. it is very frustrating seeing _every single thread_ about israel turn into hateful rhetoric, spreading lies and propaganda, using buzzwords they heard somewhere, and generally not understanding history at all. but threads about china/KSA/UAE/etc. are free of this. this isn't whataboutism, its important to care about humans rights issues in multiple countries, but its just weird how hate-fueled people get about…

That's because you are free to criticise China or Iran, but get accused of being a nazi for pointing out Israel does similar things. That makes people more angry.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by pydry »

case0x00 wrote: post #92
pydry wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Another reason people say that is because anti-Zionism is demonstrably correlated with anti-semitism This isnt true at all. The far right, for example, are pretty openly antisemitic. If somebody takes pains to distinguish the two on the other hand they're rarely bullshitting. The converse is true though. Attempts to conflate antizionism and antisemitism by are almost always ultimately driven by a staunch belief in J…

its definitely true? a lot of leftist groups claim to be anti-zionist but end up discriminating against jews (in the US). many proclaimed anti-zionists end up parroting the same tropes used by antisemites. and then you blame it on some kind of jewish conspiracy?

>its definitely true? a lot of leftist groups claim to be anti-zionist but end up discriminating against jews

They definitely dont but they always get accused of it.

The Israeli state (headed by the guy who openly doesnt want his daughter to marry a black guy) has several organizations (ADL, etc) set up specifically for the purpose of rooting out and mischaracterizing these examples for the purposes of furthering the aims of the state. They also happen to go after real antisemitism. Sometimes. They didnt give a fuck about viktor orban using hook nosed jew tropes in his campaign adverts though, because "friend of israel" > "friend of jews".

This isnt a "Jewish conspiracy". After all they go after antizionist Jews too. Even an antizionist holocaust survivor in one case.

It's an avowedly pro racism enterprise headed by a committed racist who explained his views without metaphors or tropes using anti-racism and "oh look, tropes!" as a figleaf.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by imchillyb »

boardwaalk wrote: post #90
rayiner wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I found that extremely disturbing that archaic religious beliefs would influence foreign policies Why? As a former atheist, I’ve come to the realization that the alternative—at least at scale—to traditional religion isn’t people being hyper rational engineers. It’s different and less well established unprovable and illogical beliefs. Have you read some of the social “science” stuff that gets published? All the “woo…

The belief that more rational beliefs are possible is not exactly debatable, is it? Certainly, the “woo” stuff you referenced is not the only alternative? That people have to believe in some “religion” and that common “religions” at the current point in history are at peak possible rationality… well, there’s no real reason to believe that, is there?

Sure if s person is willing to completely ignore reality for pie in the sky…

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by elzbardico »

hackerlight wrote: post #46
botanical wrote: post #12

I applaud her for her courage. Israel has seemingly been given leeway to do as they please when it comes to Palestianian freedom of movement. And Google's none the better with their AI drone programme. I mean Palestinians have it hard to put it lightly. Israel is an Apartheid State that's enacting a harsh Apartheid system against these people: * Illegal Settlers living in Palestine can vote in Israel but not Palestin…

> anti-Zionism is conflated with anti-semitism One reason people say that is perceptions of double standards. They see China get an easier time on their treatment of Uyghurs. Another reason people say that is because anti-Zionism is demonstrably correlated with anti-semitism. They see photos of someone at an anti-Israel rally giving the roman salute. They see people attacking Jews at random on the street whenever Isr…

A sizable portion of the Nazi party was very sympathetic to the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine.

Likewise, the Soviet Union was the first nation to recognize Israel and the Russian Jewish community was very important in the creation of Israel. More than 25% of the Jewish colonists came from Russia and other Soviet countries. The same Russia where pogroms were a routine in the XIX century.

Zionism was a pretty convenient idea for a lot of ultra-nationalists that didn't want Jewish people in their countries.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by roenxi »

boardwaalk wrote: post #90
rayiner wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I found that extremely disturbing that archaic religious beliefs would influence foreign policies Why? As a former atheist, I’ve come to the realization that the alternative—at least at scale—to traditional religion isn’t people being hyper rational engineers. It’s different and less well established unprovable and illogical beliefs. Have you read some of the social “science” stuff that gets published? All the “woo…

The belief that more rational beliefs are possible is not exactly debatable, is it? Certainly, the “woo” stuff you referenced is not the only alternative? That people have to believe in some “religion” and that common “religions” at the current point in history are at peak possible rationality… well, there’s no real reason to believe that, is there?

I'd rather the people in charge were patient, thoughtful and rational. But it is interesting to consider that a rational person may, under some circumstances, want irrational leadership.

Easy example at the moment, I think it is obvious from game theory that there are situations where a rational actor in the US would order a nuclear strike on Russia. Under such circumstances, I'd rather the person with the power to do so acted irrationally. Following this line of thought, it is reasonable to support extremely religious people with irrational ideals for high office - as long as what they actually do gets a good outcome. Eg, a strong belief in a higher power might sometimes drive the sort of people who are willing to decentralise executive authority amongst the masses.

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