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Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by quags »

dustincoates wrote: post #32
EdwardDiego wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boycotting Israel gets your company in trouble with various state governments in the US, like no supplying services to the government, and in Arkansas, it gets even more viral in that people you supply services to are forbidden from supplying services to the government. My RH contract specifically forbade boycotting Israel, I'm sure for those reasons. And of course, I imagine that Israel has laws about doing business…

I grew up in an Evangelical church and I attend a Protestant church now (although not American) and the only place I've ever heard people claim that my fellow congregants believe that about Israel is online from people outside the church. I'm sure you'll be able to find _someone_ who believes it, but it is so weird to see people claiming something as a fact about your church that you've never encountered in nearly 40…

There is a lot of diversity between churches so I'm not surprised you did not see this while others did. I grew up in the in a Pentecostal cult in the 90s and very much covered revelations, second coming/endtimes, Israel as part of the sermons and randomly speaking in tongues - the best I can describe it is batshit insane (we are talking computer chips as the mark of the beast in the future, single currency, russia as the beast out of the sea, nuclear war coming, lots of death and beheading) However my grandfather in a northeast baptist church which I occasionally went to was very tame and I never saw any of this. Had I exclusively gone to the baptist church I may very well have stuck around in the church.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by case0x00 »

pydry wrote: post #84
hackerlight wrote: post #46

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> anti-Zionism is conflated with anti-semitism One reason people say that is perceptions of double standards. They see China get an easier time on their treatment of Uyghurs. Another reason people say that is because anti-Zionism is demonstrably correlated with anti-semitism. They see photos of someone at an anti-Israel rally giving the roman salute. They see people attacking Jews at random on the street whenever Isr…

>Another reason people say that is because anti-Zionism is demonstrably correlated with anti-semitism This isnt true at all. The far right, for example, are pretty openly antisemitic. If somebody takes pains to distinguish the two on the other hand they're rarely bullshitting. The converse is true though. Attempts to conflate antizionism and antisemitism by are almost always ultimately driven by a staunch belief in J…

its definitely true? a lot of leftist groups claim to be anti-zionist but end up discriminating against jews (in the US). many proclaimed anti-zionists end up parroting the same tropes used by antisemites. and then you blame it on some kind of jewish conspiracy?

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by hackerlight »

pydry wrote: post #84
hackerlight wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> anti-Zionism is conflated with anti-semitism One reason people say that is perceptions of double standards. They see China get an easier time on their treatment of Uyghurs. Another reason people say that is because anti-Zionism is demonstrably correlated with anti-semitism. They see photos of someone at an anti-Israel rally giving the roman salute. They see people attacking Jews at random on the street whenever Isr…

>Another reason people say that is because anti-Zionism is demonstrably correlated with anti-semitism This isnt true at all. The far right, for example, are pretty openly antisemitic. If somebody takes pains to distinguish the two on the other hand they're rarely bullshitting. The converse is true though. Attempts to conflate antizionism and antisemitism by are almost always ultimately driven by a staunch belief in J…

> This isnt true at all.

I just gave numerous examples that I've seen personally. Centrists who don't care one way or the other about Zionism certainly aren't the ones beating up Jews on the streets of London when Israel does something bad.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by case0x00 »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #89
mercy_dude wrote: post #78

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Mostly agree with you. I used to be as pro-Israel as it gets but after my visits to that area I think the burden you mr average Joe Palestinian has to bear to for example just to do normal things such as going to work or driving to see the family or take a flight that we all take for granted, is too excessive. A Palestinian depending on where he works could have somewhere between 3-5hrs commute depending on the numbe…

Are you saying the decayed Palestinian leadership justifies their peoples abuse?

the palestinian leadership enables the abuse. they actually like it, since it means they can garner more international support to siphon aid for themselves. they do little to help the people and instead opt to act as proxies for Iran to conduct terrorist attacks against israeli civilians. if the palestinian people want freedom, they need new leadership since what they operate under is clearly not even close to a democracy.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by metta2uall »

atemerev wrote: post #6

“In her statement, Koren also singled out “Jewglers,” a forum for Jewish Google employees, for not accommodating Jews who hold anti-Zionist views.” Zionism is the belief that Israel has the right to exist, and that Jews have the right to live in Israel. If you are against this, your views are quite extremist and it is hard to find understanding and accommodation, particularly among fellow Jews.

When "Zionism" only means that Jews have a right to live in those lands, that's fine because Jews are indeed one of the "indigenous" inhabitants of them.

When "Zionism" also means that Jews can create a "Jewish State" that discriminates against non-Jewish indigenous inhabitants (e.g. through a racist "law of return") - this is a big problem.

That land must be shared..

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by alldayeveryday »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #14
hourago wrote: post #8

> “Due to retaliation, a hostile environment, and illegal actions by the company, I cannot continue to work at Google and have no choice but to leave the company at the end of this week,” Ariel Koren said in a statement posted Tuesday to Medium. Many people is missing the point. "Retaliation" is illegal. > Google denied retaliation and the National Labor Relations Board found no wrongdoing after an investigation In m…

Boycotting Israel gets your company in trouble with various state governments in the US, like no supplying services to the government, and in Arkansas, it gets even more viral in that people you supply services to are forbidden from supplying services to the government. My RH contract specifically forbade boycotting Israel, I'm sure for those reasons. And of course, I imagine that Israel has laws about doing business…

> It's very very dumb legislation, and I think derives from a very odd facet of belief found in some American Protestant belief systems - that for Jesus to come back, the State of Israel has to exist.

Protestants and the Israeli lobby have always had a very symbiotic relationship.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by elzbardico »

starkd wrote: post #88
yodsanklai wrote: post #58

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> It's very very dumb legislation, and I think derives from a very odd facet of belief found in some American Protestant belief systems - that for Jesus to come back, the State of Israel has to exist. I remember reading Bill Clinton's biography. At some point, he mentioned that a pastor told him something along these lines, and that it was an important realisation for him. (I read that years ago, could be slightly wr…

It's not founded on archaic religious belief. Israel is a major ally of the U.S. They are integral part of any foreign policy the US embraces.

The US is a major ally of Israel. Israel is the ultimate pragmatic nation.

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by rgejman »

The problem from the perspective of many Jews (including myself) is that these kinds of protests and protestors tend to focus on Israel to the exclusion of any other state. Where is the protest of Google's relationships with dozens of other countries accused of major human rights violations? The double standard when it comes to Israel calls into question the motivation behind the protest and makes many Jews reasonably wonder if it is actually anti-semitic (even when coming from fellow Jews).

Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

botanical wrote: post #12

I applaud her for her courage. Israel has seemingly been given leeway to do as they please when it comes to Palestianian freedom of movement. And Google's none the better with their AI drone programme. I mean Palestinians have it hard to put it lightly. Israel is an Apartheid State that's enacting a harsh Apartheid system against these people: * Illegal Settlers living in Palestine can vote in Israel but not Palestin…

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Re: Google employee resigns after ‘retaliation’ for protesting Israeli contract

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Post by nazgulsenpai »

quags wrote: post #91
dustincoates wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in an Evangelical church and I attend a Protestant church now (although not American) and the only place I've ever heard people claim that my fellow congregants believe that about Israel is online from people outside the church. I'm sure you'll be able to find _someone_ who believes it, but it is so weird to see people claiming something as a fact about your church that you've never encountered in nearly 40…

There is a lot of diversity between churches so I'm not surprised you did not see this while others did. I grew up in the in a Pentecostal cult in the 90s and very much covered revelations, second coming/endtimes, Israel as part of the sermons and randomly speaking in tongues - the best I can describe it is batshit insane (we are talking computer chips as the mark of the beast in the future, single currency, russia a…

I grew up in pentecostal churches in the 90s as well and can confirm that what you're stating here isn't hyperbole. Everything is a sign of the end times if you want it to be.
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