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That's Europe.
Miiiiiight wanna review where 75% of Russia is.
The 25% of Russia where people live is in Europe.
US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia
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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia
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I think they mean by "civilized governments" governments who don't have military officers as ministers. Nothing to do with civilization.
So, you think that the original intention was to say "civilian governments". You are very generous with your interpretations, I admire your optimism in how civilized comments in Internet are.
Doing so is one of the guidelines here:
> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
Along with this one:
> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.
They are all honestly pretty great: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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wouldn’t a better strategy be have china depend on those product but require a sorts of built-on remote control in them in case of a conflict.
Yeah sure, bundle a freaking web server in you gpu driver.
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I literally know people who fly into Russia with entire disassembled gaming rigs in their suitcases (and do their best to avoid customs) from Turkey, etc. I'm sure if the Russian government needed these, they'd set up an operation to let them through. Russia is not as closed off as people seem to imagine.
This is about A100 and H100 GPUs which are for datacenters. To put how many an adversary would need into perspective- Frontier uses 37,888 GPUs.
Good points
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Officially the US recognises Taiwan as part of China too.
No. The US acknowledges the Chinese position that Taiwan is part of China. It does not agree with China's claim to sovereignty over Taiwan. https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-w...
Why did US break "official" relationship with Taiwan? They must agreed with China for that. Now I can see it does not agree with China.
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#516Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Chinese are one step away from figuring out this technology anyway Even if they do they are far away from fabrication. >They will not trust us again. China already massively distrusts the West. America tried the Japanese economic model with China (allow your factories to be exported there, remove trade barriers) and it didn't get them very far.
> Even if they do they are far away from fabrication. Where do you think most of the electronics is manufactured?
I assume fabrication refers to semiconductor fabs, not factories assembling computers together. None of the world's most advanced semiconductor fabs are in China, and whether they can catch up to TSMC/Samsung remains to be seen.
Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia
#517This doesn't just ban A100s. It bans those and "any future NVIDIA integrated circuit achieving both peak performance and chip-to-chip I/O performance equal to or greater than thresholds that are roughly equivalent to the A100." It's a ceiling on the performance that can be exported. In an exponentially scaling industry, this is the equivalent of an announcement in advance of a complete ban on competitive products 2-3…
I can’t see how this would be effectively enforced - what’s to prevent them from spinning up an arm’s-length subsidiary (i.e. controlled through trustworthy middlemen) outside of US jurisdiction and using that to sell to prohibited markets? Like, exactly what, for instance, crocs are doing with Russia - or Tetley’s did with Teapigs (for different reasons).
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#518Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I doubt we’ll see any American military action that could lead to a deployment other than naval. Err, you other points aside - that's how you'd contest a nail blockade, with an opposing naval force.
Outright sinking more than a couple Chinese naval vessels would lead to a conflict Americans aren’t interested in.
The Chinese would be the ones to sink American vessels first. You don't simply declare a blockade, you enforce it. By sinking American ships that don't accept your blockade.
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soooo..... if china and russia do a collab and reverse engineer the existing A100, what.... will USA or nvidia do? like sue them? haha
They cannot manufacture such advanced chip even if they have circuit design.
Literally all nvidia has is the circuit design. They do not do any fabrication, and they get all their stuff made in taiwan.
If china had the layout, they would just get it made in taiwan.
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Not only that, by the time they figure how to do it the rest of the world will have moved on by at least 2 generations. SMIC has announced 14nm (but shipments in volume aren't clear), TSMC will have 5nm chips shipping in volume by the end of the month.
Taiwan is pretty close to China...
Those fabs aren't going to survive an invasion.