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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by differentView »

g42gregory wrote: post #366

I am not sure what exactly the thought process is here? So NVIDA is losing Chinese market, probably for the foreseeable future. Chinese are one step away from figuring out this technology anyway, if not already. They will not trust us again. It makes them less dependent on us. Oh, and we still need their manufacturing because of the labor costs, environmental issues, regulations and now, energy costs. How would this…

Can't most manufacturing be moved to other countries, such as India and Vietnam?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by lgsymons »

taneq wrote: post #457
wildzzz wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One way that companies get around ITAR and similar regulations for things like space grade components that have radiation tolerant features is to only rad test up to what the limits are. The components are probably much more resilient than what they are specced for but by only declaring the legal limit, companies can still export their products. The foreign buyers can do their own testing to prove the components can…

Sounds like the 80s/90s 208hp “gentleman’s agreement” in Japan. Most of those cars put out 320+hp with trivial bolt-on mods but they were all “208hp nudge nudge wink wink ”

You're a little confused, the number was 276hp/280PS/206kW.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by cpursley »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #87
cpursley wrote: post #13

And so then Russia buys them via Armenia or Kazakstan for a 30% markup... The only way to really do this is to geo-fence disable the chips.

It would take them years to acquire the GPUs at the scale that they need them. By the time they do that they're 2 generations behind. It's about adding a barrier.

I literally know people who fly into Russia with entire disassembled gaming rigs in their suitcases (and do their best to avoid customs) from Turkey, etc. I'm sure if the Russian government needed these, they'd set up an operation to let them through. Russia is not as closed off as people seem to imagine.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by cabirum »

cabirum wrote: post #398
devd00d wrote: post #394

It's not nearly enough.

Notice how the only geopolitical competitors of the US are also "the biggest bringers of pain and suffering"? That is because US does not tolerate competition and tries to prevent others to develop at any cost, including brainwashing its populace with this kind of propaganda.

The parent edited their comment and the context for my reply is lost.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by cpursley »

paganel wrote: post #431
stjohnswarts wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That could also be a good way to get their sales banned to Armenia and Kazakhstan.

And then Kazakhstan buys them from the Saudis or from Turkey, who are de facto US allies (Turkey is even a NATO member, a big one). The US can try and do something about it, as supposedly the CIA has just tried to do a couple of weeks ago in connection to the recent sanctions against Russia, but what do you when the Turks tell you to shove it? (which is what Turkey's response to the CIA demands was). This is one of t…

Bingo. The current work-around to get electronics to Russia is via Dubai. It's harder with Turkey because their airlines don't allow lithium batteries for safety reasons.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by Sabinus »

g42gregory wrote: post #366

I am not sure what exactly the thought process is here? So NVIDA is losing Chinese market, probably for the foreseeable future. Chinese are one step away from figuring out this technology anyway, if not already. They will not trust us again. It makes them less dependent on us. Oh, and we still need their manufacturing because of the labor costs, environmental issues, regulations and now, energy costs. How would this…

>Chinese are one step away from figuring out this technology anyway

Even if they do they are far away from fabrication.

>They will not trust us again.

China already massively distrusts the West. America tried the Japanese economic model with China (allow your factories to be exported there, remove trade barriers) and it didn't get them very far.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by Sabinus »

lizardactivist wrote: post #487

USA loves the free market, as long as they own most of it. So much for their talk about the future of glorious globalization.

Why abide by free market rules if the Chinese are going to be mercantilist anyway?
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