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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by kilpikaarna »

sudosysgen wrote: post #320
onepointsixC wrote: post #274

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Real Question is what yields have they been producing those chips at. Mining chips pay for themselves, so it's not as much of a big deal if your process is bad and only 20% of your wafer is usable. If you want to make a super computer out of chips from a process with 20% yields, then you're spending absurd amounts.

I have a question for you. Do you know that, or why, China stopped submitting new entries to the Top500, while numerous sources are claiming China brought online exascale computers with custom architectures? Mining chips don't just simply pay for themselves. If it was cheaper to get the chips fabbed at Samsung or TSMC at any other lithography they'd be fabbed there. The company that made the miners isn't even Chinese…

This sounds interesting. Source?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by ngc248 »

nomel wrote: post #281
rvnx wrote: post #152

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There is a weird extraterritoriality concept that essentially says that if you use USD to commit a crime (they have the buy cards in USD at the beginning), that you can be prosecuted in the US, even if you are not from the US. "any company or individual can be investigated, charged and sentenced because of a remote link with US jurisdiction, such as a transaction in US dollars, the existence of a subsidiary onto US t…

People in other countries don't use USD to buy Nvidia GPUs, do they? Does Nvidia only accept USD? I would assume they would have somewhat independent foreign markets set up.

It would be a company which would be buying in bulk, which would use USD while buying.

What you mention is about an individual buying from an e-commerce site or a retail seller. That can happen in the local currency.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by KronisLV »

shotta wrote: post #230
na85 wrote: post #213

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Think of the marketing for Nvidia: "The GPU so powerful we're not allowed to export it. "

Reminds me of an old Apple ad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoxvLq0dFvw

I wonder how they could have said:

"As for Pentium PCs... well, they're harmless."

without that resulting in lawsuits.

Somehow I feel that in our world the majority of corporations don't make direct comparisons to their competitors that often, preferring to use "competing brands" or something of that variety instead.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by cbozeman »

quantum_state wrote: post #325
onepointsixC wrote: post #311

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Those are your go to for examples of the US lacking determination and resolve to stand by allies? Sure the US abandoned the South Vietnamese and the Afghan Governments, but only after two decades of military conflict in support of each. A dragged out conflict over Taiwan hurts the CCP the most.

Please remember the CCP has no feeling … hard to make it feel hurt. However, a dragged out conflict would hurt the people at TW and waste our money … let’s focus on building this country strong and take care the ppl here …

Even without a war, China will be down to 650,000,000 people in the next 30-40 years. Throw a war into that mix and China's demographic numbers become even more grim.

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Post by cbozeman »

gred wrote: post #308
butterfly771 wrote: post #273

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As a Chinese, what I want to say is that populism here has risen rapidly in recent years, the Thucydides trap has been fulfilled again, and a war is basically inevitable. is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan?

We'd be seeing significantly less concern in the West if the "official" Chinese worldview were more democratic, less authoritarian, more humanistic, and less illiberal. How long will it take for the emerging Chinese middle class to force changes internally, move up Maslow's hierarchy, and demand freedom of conscience, speech, religion, assembly, press, petition, and privacy? IMO it's a bit of a race between the Chine…

Things are going to get worse in China, not better. In 60 years, they'll have half their current population (One Child Policy). Not only that, but Western companies have seen the writing on the wall. Production is moving out of China to Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.. Semiconductor facilities are being built in America.

We're not going to be able to avoid a war with China, because Pooh Bear has to have a scapegoat and the U.S. will be it, but make no mistake, China is on the way down, not up...

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by adrian_b »

rcoveson wrote: post #245
lawrenceyan wrote: post #239

This is dumb. It’s as logical as trying to ban cryptography.

This is a ban on the export of a hard-to-manufacture physical doodad. You can't keep ideas or software from spreading practically everywhere instantly, but you can absolutely slow the spread of expensive manufactured goods.

Any export ban is efficient only when it bans something that the other country cannot do.

In the case of GPUs, the hard manufacturing is not done by USA, only the GPU design is done in USA.

China has just demonstrated that they can design GPUs as fast as those designed by NVIDIA (Biren) so this ban will have only the effect of helping their domestic GPU supplier, who will no longer compete with NVIDIA for sales.

The only effective ban would be one really applying to true hard manufacturing, e.g. forbidding the export of any chips made in Taiwan or elsewhere with 5 nm or better CMOS processes. However, that would really look like a war declaration and not like an ineffective harassment, like the GPU export ban.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by cabirum »

devd00d wrote: post #394

It's not nearly enough.

Notice how the only geopolitical competitors of the US are also "the biggest bringers of pain and suffering"? That is because US does not tolerate competition and tries to prevent others to develop at any cost, including brainwashing its populace with this kind of propaganda.

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Post by bhedgeoser »

beebeepka wrote: post #382
bhedgeoser wrote: post #254

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Yeah sure, bundle a freaking web server in you gpu driver.

Nvidia already has plenty of spyware in their drivers Edit: I knew this would get downvoted quickly. Hey, mr or ms judge of truth, how about you check what nvidia services run on your machine before wielding all that power.

Crazy, do radeon drivers do anything like that?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by TulliusCicero »

AbrahamParangi wrote: post #312
quantum_state wrote: post #296

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Counting the track records … Vietnam, Afghan … apart from wasting lots of tax payer money and making the people in the area miserable, what else did we achieve?

If you’re counting the track record of interventions shouldn’t you count WW1, WW2, the Korean War and the Cold War as well?

Also Kuwait in the first Iraq War.
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