It will only hurt the US and Nvidia.
US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia
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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia
#462Earlier quoted context omitted.
The barrier has been added too late. They have already made their first datacenter GPUs and they are no longer dependent of NVIDIA. Replacing CUDA programs will take work, but they have enough people for that and this is an easier task than designing a GPU.
> made their first datacenter GPUs and they are no longer dependent of NVIDIA Russia did that? Right...
You are right that the export ban for GPUs is much more likely to hurt Russia, who are nowhere near of being able to have their own GPU architecture.
China on the other hand, has already designed faster GPUs than those that are banned now for export to them, so they will not be affected. NVIDIA will be more affected by the ban than China, as they have already announced that they will have to delay the deployment of H100 until they will succeed to migrate the assembly of cards to locations outside China.
Other comments have already provided links to benchmarks comparing A100 with the Chinese Biren GPU.
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#463Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a Chinese, what I want to say is that populism here has risen rapidly in recent years, the Thucydides trap has been fulfilled again, and a war is basically inevitable. is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan?
As you can see in Ukraine, Americans love an underdog. If Russia’s nuclear deterrent were any weaker, American soldiers would be fighting in Donetsk and the Harry S. Truman would be in the Black Sea.
Americans don’t necessarily love an underdog, they love anyone opposed to their geopolitical enemies. The US doesn’t support Ukraine because it’s invaded, they support Ukraine because it’s invaded by Russia.
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#464Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please remember the CCP has no feeling … hard to make it feel hurt. However, a dragged out conflict would hurt the people at TW and waste our money … let’s focus on building this country strong and take care the ppl here …
What a bizarre take. The people of Taiwan do not want to share the fate of Hong Kongers and are willing to fight to keep it that way. China imports 10 million barrels of oil a day. Any protracted conflict against the USN will see the CENTCOM stopping that flow of oil, which mostly comes from the Middle East. China is neither food nor energy secure and every additional month of conflict over Taiwan would be absolutely…
The people of Taiwan also don’t want to be bombed and die.
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#465For people having doubts regarding Taiwan's semiconductor industry, I present you a case in point: Ukraine's grain and other sectors. The only way to stop industry is militarily. Considering the expectation for US to step in and prevent the blockade, I doubt we'll see a full stop, even if disruptions will be felt worldwide. Overall, when thinking about potential war, I think my country is a much better example to rat…
>up to 100k civilian casualties Sounds like a blatant propaganda BS for a city with 400k population in regular times. A significant portion of population has left the city before fighting reached it and the Russian army has absolutely no incentives to intentionally kill one the most loyal (to them) populations. Well, it's technically true, since any number between 0 and 100k will fit.
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If you are a EU or US resident, I suggest reconsidering the news you are reading, because you are spreading lies that benefit people who see you as an enemy.
Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia
#466This doesn't just ban A100s. It bans those and "any future NVIDIA integrated circuit achieving both peak performance and chip-to-chip I/O performance equal to or greater than thresholds that are roughly equivalent to the A100." It's a ceiling on the performance that can be exported. In an exponentially scaling industry, this is the equivalent of an announcement in advance of a complete ban on competitive products 2-3…
Are these GPUs being produced in china? Maybe china will ban shipping these to the US?
Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia
#467This doesn't just ban A100s. It bans those and "any future NVIDIA integrated circuit achieving both peak performance and chip-to-chip I/O performance equal to or greater than thresholds that are roughly equivalent to the A100." It's a ceiling on the performance that can be exported. In an exponentially scaling industry, this is the equivalent of an announcement in advance of a complete ban on competitive products 2-3…
The US government has been setting the ceiling on performance that can be exported since the beginning of the computer industry. This is not really new but NVidia was caught by a surprise change in the limits.
I worked with a company that upgraded a mainframe cluster not located in the USA. The upgrade topped out a collective rating of that user's installed computing power allowance given for civilian purposes. So, to do the upgrade, US Export controls required the client to decommission some older nodes and that had to be witnessed by US Consular representatives walked through the whole process taking video and photographic evidence. And the agreed method of decommissioning was to haul these old nodes out in to a deserted area and run bulldozers over them in a pit. Not joking. Wish I kept some of the photos though.
Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia
#468And so then Russia buys them via Armenia or Kazakstan for a 30% markup... The only way to really do this is to geo-fence disable the chips.
It would take them years to acquire the GPUs at the scale that they need them. By the time they do that they're 2 generations behind. It's about adding a barrier.
This doesn't sound right to me. As a back-of-the-envelop calculation how much realistically would say the Russian government need? Even if they need in the league of 10,000s annually I think it would be easy for them to source this from a handful of friendly countries in a couple of months.
For example they could set-up a couple of "mining startups" in Dubai, Egypt, Serbia or India. Then buy 1000s of GPUs under the companies name and then put them in a yacht and ship to Moscow.
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#469There is a little irony in the fact these chips are manufactured in Taiwan, which according to China is already 'in China'. So these chips which are banned from going from the US to China, do already go from China to the US.
Officially the US recognises Taiwan as part of China too.
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#470Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not just the US government, it's many civilized governments doing these sort of things. And in this particular case this european is grateful for it because it is not about setting ceilings or hindering industry, it's about preventing the abuse of dual use goods. In other words; Not being fsckd by our own stuff. Other examples can be found here: https://www.wassenaar.org/app/uploads/2021/12/Public-Docs-Vo...
"civilized governments"? how that works?
I think they mean by "civilized governments" governments who don't have military officers as ministers.
Nothing to do with civilization.