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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by freeflight »

sandworm101 wrote: post #280
LionTamer wrote: post #264

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When was this done previously?

In many (most?) manufacturing industries there is an upper limit on export product performance. If you make steel, there are a bunch of types/grades subject to limits related to their use in nuclear technology. If you make microphones there is a limit on those that might be used in sonar arrays. Certainly all manner of limits exist in aerospace. Even game consoles have been limited (Iran). This is not an unusual regu…

> If you make steel, there are a bunch of types/grades subject to limits related to their use in nuclear technology.

Assuming said steel is actually of the quality it's certified as [0]

[0] https://asiatimes.com/2017/10/nuclear-tentacles-kobe-steel/

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by markus92 »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #427
tankenmate wrote: post #420

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Not only that, by the time they figure how to do it the rest of the world will have moved on by at least 2 generations. SMIC has announced 14nm (but shipments in volume aren't clear), TSMC will have 5nm chips shipping in volume by the end of the month.

how does that matter? SMIC had the 7nm news recently, not sure about that but even if it is 14nm, can't they throw money on the problem and get something to start with? they don't have to achieve A100 levels in the first go, even Rpi level chips should be enough to give them experience

That's what they've been trying to do, of course, but so far they haven't really succeeded yet.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by thriftwy »

colechristensen wrote: post #53
thriftwy wrote: post #27

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What do you do with 100,000 central asian guest workers each carrying one GPU in their cabin baggage when they go to Russia for their construction gig? Smuggling electronics beats smuggling drugs, danger-wise.

Billion dollar operations like that would be noticed by someone up the chain of suppliers. That just isn’t how these things usually happen. It’s usually a couple of hops of resellers in increasingly distant from American jurisdiction areas.

They are going to buy those GPUs in retail and offload for a 20% markup on Russian market. One or two GPUs and they paid for the plane ticket. They can even sell it on Avito on their own. Look, ma, no operation.

So you have noticed a lot of retail demand for those consumer goods, what would you do?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by thriftwy »

onepointsixC wrote: post #295
thriftwy wrote: post #62

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Are the China-embarrassing state visits to Taiwan an example of diplomacy and cooperation? That kind of cooperation and diplomacy is called coercion and incitement. The problem is, China and India have grown up now and they are going to behave like adults. And how do adult role models behave in the century XXI? Afghanistan, Lybia, Iraq, that's how.

No other country has such fits of rage to a diplomatic visit. Pretending that having leaders of one country visit another is coercion or incitement is gaslighting.

Tell that to Japan which issues diplomatic notes of protest every time Russian officials (not even foreign diplomats!) visit Russian Kuril islands.

Meanwhile, Kuril islands: contested by Japan but 70 years under Russian administration.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by concordDance »

coretx wrote: post #342
zerohp wrote: post #251

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The US government has been setting the ceiling on performance that can be exported since the beginning of the computer industry. This is not really new but NVidia was caught by a surprise change in the limits.

It's not just the US government, it's many civilized governments doing these sort of things. And in this particular case this european is grateful for it because it is not about setting ceilings or hindering industry, it's about preventing the abuse of dual use goods. In other words; Not being fsckd by our own stuff. Other examples can be found here: https://www.wassenaar.org/app/uploads/2021/12/Public-Docs-Vo...

What specifically is the downside of allowing export?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by freeflight »

alphabetting wrote: post #180
withinboredom wrote: post #142

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They can’t even get their own companies to restrict the use of their citizen’s data lol.

Allowing US companies to serve people relevant ads and allowing US companies to aid our number one adversary in developing the most potentially dangerous technology humans will every create are two very different things.

> Allowing US companies to serve people relevant ads

Except these companies do way more than just serve innocent ads, as the Snowden reveals have showed; They are complicit in way more than that.

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Post by qwytw »

Bud wrote: post #302
blackoil wrote: post #32

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That's Europe.

Miiiiiight wanna review where 75% of Russia is.

So when US is fighting a war in the middle east it's actually happening in the Caribbean because US has territory there?

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by InCityDreams »

coretx wrote: post #342
zerohp wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US government has been setting the ceiling on performance that can be exported since the beginning of the computer industry. This is not really new but NVidia was caught by a surprise change in the limits.

It's not just the US government, it's many civilized governments doing these sort of things. And in this particular case this european is grateful for it because it is not about setting ceilings or hindering industry, it's about preventing the abuse of dual use goods. In other words; Not being fsckd by our own stuff. Other examples can be found here: https://www.wassenaar.org/app/uploads/2021/12/Public-Docs-Vo...

>it's many civilized governments...

China not civilized?

And before human rights becomes the main talking point: Guantanamo.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by qwytw »

adrian_b wrote: post #353
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #87

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It would take them years to acquire the GPUs at the scale that they need them. By the time they do that they're 2 generations behind. It's about adding a barrier.

The barrier has been added too late. They have already made their first datacenter GPUs and they are no longer dependent of NVIDIA. Replacing CUDA programs will take work, but they have enough people for that and this is an easier task than designing a GPU.

> made their first datacenter GPUs and they are no longer dependent of NVIDIA

Russia did that? Right...

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