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U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by peter422 »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #69
peter422 wrote: post #47

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Did anybody ever die unexpectedly before 2019?

Apparently not at the same rate. In the UK, ages 1-59 year olds are dying at almost twice the rate if vaccinated than not. The forth chart from the top "ages 10-59" https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/what-do-uk-data-say-a... This site is very pro vaccine, but even here they have to do a lot of hand waving to try and explain it away. And Suddenly everything is fuzzy, they can't quite put the two together. Which is…

So you are telling me somebody thought it was a good idea to bucket 10 year olds with 59 year olds in a study regarding health outcomes.

Can you think of any confounding issues among those samples when split only by vaccination status?

Like maybe the median age or percent with AARP memberships?

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Post by epgui »

timr wrote: post #129
dqpb wrote: post #72

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> Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. For everybody or for some people? What is the causal chain?

> For everybody or for some people? What is the causal chain? The study it is based on is from Al Aly [1], who is using a dataset of (mostly elderly, unhealthy) veterans who regularly seek hospital care from the US government hospital system (VA). It is an older, sicker population, and no, the results aren't generalizable. Moreover, his methods are dubious. I've dug into one of Al Aly's other paper's downthread [2],…

I only have a MSc, but with a more biomedical focus. I disagree with your overall impression and contextualization (even if you may be right on some of the finer points). I don’t agree with your assessment of Topol’s credibility, or on that of the relevance and quality of the Nature article.

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Post by nightski »

acdha wrote: post #70
strken wrote: post #36

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The rise in obesity is likely environmental. It's entirely possible that microplastics or PFAS (or whatever contaminant you want to point the finger at) causes obesity, which then causes health issues.

It’s lifestyle: Americans lead the world in both obesity and car centric lifestyles, and we have a ton of reinforcing factors – suburbs designed around cars are unpleasant/unsafe to be active in, people eat unhealthy food because it’s cheap (cars and suburbs are both more expensive) and something they can eat in the car or pickup on the way home, kids are prevented from exercising because there are few safe places in…

Suburbs are very walkable. You don't always have to have a destination to walk to. My wife & I walk every night for an hour and enjoy observing our neighborhood.

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Post by nu11ptr »

noduerme wrote: post #132
nu11ptr wrote: post #121

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For starters, they could stop encouraging unhealthy eating ( cough food pyramid cough ). We should be be eating like our grandparent's grandparents (or as I call it: 'A real food' diet) but instead they tell us to shun meat but feel free to eat all the heavily processed carbs with HFCS and canola oil foods you want. Don't eat red meat, but pizza and fries are just fine!

This is true. There are also, though, other environmental factors that make it harder to maintain healthy weight in postindustrial countries than it was in the past, even if you eat no processed foods, cap your calories and work out regularly. Pharmaceutical and industrial waste in the water supply, Roundup in the grain supply, pesticides, hormones in the meat. Personally I'm swayed by the argument that these are at…

Agreed, my suspicion is our problems are 'multi-causal' which is why it makes it so difficult to pin it down to just one thing.

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Post by epgui »

bee_rider wrote: post #98
hackerlight wrote: post #77

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Hate to be that guy, but people who are susceptible to reinfection are also probably less healthy.

I'm pretty sure everyone is susceptible to reinfection after a while.

Affirmative. (biochemist)

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nu11ptr wrote: post #121
midoridensha wrote: post #45

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>One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications What are they supposed to do? Obesity is caused by American's terrible lifestyle. Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. Stop drinking alcohol, and start walking everywhere instead of driv…

For starters, they could stop encouraging unhealthy eating ( cough food pyramid cough ). We should be be eating like our grandparent's grandparents (or as I call it: 'A real food' diet) but instead they tell us to shun meat but feel free to eat all the heavily processed carbs with HFCS and canola oil foods you want. Don't eat red meat, but pizza and fries are just fine!

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nishs wrote: post #4

From the article, “The Covid-19 pandemic is the primary cause of the decline.” And it is going to decline further. Covid affects multiple organ systems; the acute phase of the infection, it is safe to say at this point, is not the primary cause of concern. Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. [1] A chief scien…

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Post by davidro80 »

not2b wrote: post #17
mandmandam wrote: post #6

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Careful there; that could lead to a conversation about the cost/benefits of how lockdowns were implemented. Then we'd have to look at how younger generations were sacrificed for the older. Then we might have to talk about how that happens in many areas, from wealth distribution to climate change policy, from environmental policy to corporate accountability. Not to mention the wars. Can't be letting that type of discu…

The US didn't really do lockdowns; there were restrictions, particularly for international travel and to Hawaii, but people weren't confined to their homes as they were in other countries. Even in the more restrictive states you could always go out. But in many countries restrictions were much, much tougher.

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Post by remarkEon »

californical wrote: post #111
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #107

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People will literally rezone entire cities rather than saying we need to eat less food and workout more.

My point was that making it a personal choice seems to be failing us. We’ve been telling people to do that for decades, and they’re not — make it a societal choice so that it’s individuals are automatically enrolled in a system that promotes their health rather than forcing them to sit in a car seat for hours per week

I find it fascinating, from an social science perspective, that in other critical areas of society social shaming is encouraged, but when it comes to human fitness we will invent PhD theses worth of reasons for why that's not allowed.

I 100% agree with you though, the physical structure of (most) US cities makes this difficult if you yourself don't prioritize it, or you can't afford to.

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