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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by neuronexmachina »

dqpb wrote: post #72
nishs wrote: post #4

From the article, “The Covid-19 pandemic is the primary cause of the decline.” And it is going to decline further. Covid affects multiple organ systems; the acute phase of the infection, it is safe to say at this point, is not the primary cause of concern. Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. [1] A chief scien…

> Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. For everybody or for some people? What is the causal chain?

> What is the causal chain?

More data is needed, but it's looking like a key component of it is micro-clots: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02286-7

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by noduerme »

nu11ptr wrote: post #121
midoridensha wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications What are they supposed to do? Obesity is caused by American's terrible lifestyle. Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. Stop drinking alcohol, and start walking everywhere instead of driv…

For starters, they could stop encouraging unhealthy eating ( cough food pyramid cough ). We should be be eating like our grandparent's grandparents (or as I call it: 'A real food' diet) but instead they tell us to shun meat but feel free to eat all the heavily processed carbs with HFCS and canola oil foods you want. Don't eat red meat, but pizza and fries are just fine!

This is true. There are also, though, other environmental factors that make it harder to maintain healthy weight in postindustrial countries than it was in the past, even if you eat no processed foods, cap your calories and work out regularly. Pharmaceutical and industrial waste in the water supply, Roundup in the grain supply, pesticides, hormones in the meat. Personally I'm swayed by the argument that these are at the root of other issues too, like gluten intolerance.

I'm all for encouraging people to eat healthier but some of this is beyond what an average person can control unless you grow your own food and drink from your own well.

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Post by cma »

swader999 wrote: post #81
buscoquadnary wrote: post #40

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Has anyone compared excess mortality between highly vaccinated countries vs countries with low uptake?

Low uptake countries maybe have worse medical systems and younger populations, so you'd some controls for that.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by [deleted] »

tomrod wrote: post #85
dqpb wrote: post #72

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> Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. For everybody or for some people? What is the causal chain?

Off the cuff, it sounds like a reference to an assessment of a risk-adjusted population as a whole relative to pre-COVID baseline. COVID-19 does massive damage generally.

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Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by kredd »

remarkEon wrote: post #54
midoridensha wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications What are they supposed to do? Obesity is caused by American's terrible lifestyle. Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. Stop drinking alcohol, and start walking everywhere instead of driv…

>Healthcare systems can only do so much to compensate for a bad lifestyle. And this right here is my problem. Healthcare doesn't only begin when you get to the doctor or the hospital. There's no reason that healthcare officials/leaders/experts/whatever can't recommend baseline levels of fitness for Americans, and provide help for getting to that standard. I don't know, maybe Healthcare plans should include subsidies…

From what I’ve observed, even with free gym and advice, most of people will still ignore it. It’s simply not convenient, especially for people who haven’t gotten into a routine.

I live in an extremely walkable neighbourhood of a fairly dense city, and honestly speaking, and just walking around to do my daily chores already helps with casual fitness. I do bike, swim and lift, but mostly for “fun” rather than for health. And before consistently working out, I weighed constant amount (+-4 pounds change depended on the season). Honestly, I want to blame the epidemic on cars and the convenience it brings to everyone.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by noduerme »

musha68k wrote: post #23
nishs wrote: post #4

From the article, “The Covid-19 pandemic is the primary cause of the decline.” And it is going to decline further. Covid affects multiple organ systems; the acute phase of the infection, it is safe to say at this point, is not the primary cause of concern. Covid-19 infection increases the chances of a stroke 4x and of heart failure more than 10x, among other disorders, within 12 months of infection. [1] A chief scien…

The effects are also compounding with each re-infection.

Has there been anything published yet as to whether this holds true controlling for which strain of covid one is reinfected with, or whether one is vaccinated? I know at least one vaccinated person who's been reinfected with no symptoms at all the second time, and only knew because they had to get tested.

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Post by sandworm101 »

ArboriaInstitut wrote: post #78
musha68k wrote: post #23

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The effects are also compounding with each re-infection.

Do any of the epidemiologists/virologists who are saying this offer any thoughts as to why SARS-CoV-2 and the immune response to it are so different from every other novel virus which has emerged in the past? Is there any precedent at all for "a virus which reinfects you over and over with no reduction in lethality/sequelae from the repeat infections"?

Yes. Flu. Constant (yearly) reinfection by slightly different variants with near-similar mortality regardless of previous variant exposure.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by swader999 »

cma wrote: post #133
swader999 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has anyone compared excess mortality between highly vaccinated countries vs countries with low uptake?

Low uptake countries maybe have worse medical systems and younger populations, so you'd some controls for that.

I think excess mortality by its nature accounts for this. And you can compare similar age groups.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by mushbino »

remarkEon wrote: post #22
eric4smith wrote: post #3

Obesity. Covid literally attacks obese people. And obese people also are at huge risk. I'm overweight and I was literally frightened during covid. Now I lift weights every day and work on my diet very hard. But we are literally ignoring the elephant (literally) in the room.

Hear, hear. One of the greatest failings of our "modern" healthcare system is that there's no plan to address this crisis. Obesity is the gateway to what seems like an infinite amount of health complications - not to mention the additional burden on the health care system itself when they get sick. I fully acknowledge that it's a difficult subject, it upsets people, and it's uncomfortable. The greatest healthcare adv…

Poor health is extremely profitable in the US. From the food industry to healthcare. Drug addiction is profitable. There's little incentive to do much about it at a public level.

Re: U.S. life expectancy drops sharply, the second consecutive decline

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Post by syzar »

faddypaddy34 wrote: post #88
syzar wrote: post #57

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I agree with your overall point but at this time there are, thankfully, few believers of Scientology. Hopefully at some point in the future encountering an anti-vaxer will be as rare as encountering a Scientologist.

Explain how the COVID vaccine which does not 1) Prevent becoming infected with COVID, 2) Does not prevent spreading COVID to others, 3) Does not prevent COVID symptoms is a vaccine again? Also using the CDC definition that was specifically changed because the COVID vaccine didn't meet the definition of vaccine doesn't count. Additionally how about we don't just jump to lumping huge numbers of people into out groups t…

I have no medical expertise but I do know that overwhelmingly those who do have expertise took the “vaccine” and the booster shots. It does not matter to me what word you use to denote the COVID vaccine. I do hope anti-vaxers become rare. They are a menace and are incredibly selfish and self-centered.
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