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US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by IanCal »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #157
_-david-_ wrote: post #123

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No. The only countries which officially recognize Taiwan as independent are: Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Holy See (Vatican City), Honduras, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau, Paraguay, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, and Tuvalu.

Slightly missed the point: NVidia uses TSMC to make their GPUs. TSMC is in (as the name suggests) Taiwan, so either NVidia -by default- is violating this order by exporting to China because the fabs are in China, or they're not exporting to China because the US now officially recognizes Taiwan as "not China".

This is extremely easy to solve even if it is the case as all it requires is to issue Nvidia with a license saying what they can do.

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Post by win32k »

woevdbz wrote: post #169
nomel wrote: post #59

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You say that like chip fabrication is not the most complicated manufacturing process on earth.

I think it's more nuanced. Left to develop it on their own, they might not succeed with a catch up effort in 5 years. Or 10. But in 20 years probably. 30 years certainly.

Everything in competition is about time and effort. No one cares if they figure it out 20 years down the road. It literally won't matter at that point, because the US will have much better by then. The world may be a different place, etc. It's all about the now.

Re: US Government Bans Export of Nvidia A100 and H100 GPUs to China and Russia

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Post by IanCal »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #185
samstave wrote: post #82

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Maybe because the M2 is a TMSC made unit made in TW and there is no way Tim Apple is going to not be selling to the biggest market.. How is he going to make 5 Trillion in ShareHolder Value by 2025? - We don't need to "officially" recognize Taiwan when many congress folks invest heavily there. Don't unplug the circuit that feeds you. -- https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/442... Whit the the new d…

> We don't need to "officially" recognize Taiwan when many congress folks invest heavily there. Fun fact about laws: yeah you do. You can only litigate the letter of the law, not the spirit. If the law says "you cannot export to China" and the fabs are in Taiwan, then either NVidia's breaking the law by default, or they're not and the US officially recognizes Taiwan as not being part of China. Whether that's what the…

How is this not just solved by issuing Nvidia a license?

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Post by nine_k »

bottlepalm wrote: post #10

Sign of a coming AI arms race? If the image generation market is getting too saturated, maybe OpenAI can sell something to the government. No one has deeper pockets.

Since we have Cold War II (with the hot war still not fought by NATO), we should expect similarities to Cold War I: bans on high-tech exports, classifying more stuff, even public lies in an attempt to misdirect the adversary (see [SDI]). Good thing if encryption is not declared munition as it was back then [W].

[SDI]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative

[W]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...

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Post by plegresl »

fortran77 wrote: post #80
ivalm wrote: post #49

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No, this is part of the deal. You get benefits of being an American company, but you also get the disadvantages.

It may help them -- NVIDIA is banned but not AMD GPUs. This sort-of proves that AMDs are toys, and NVIDIA is for serious work

Also applies to AMD: https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tech/Semiconductors/U.S.-ti...

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Post by twirlock »

ethbr0 wrote: post #208
LeonTheremin wrote: post #199

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Eric Schmidt, the former Google chairman, told Reuters in a recent interview that high-end processors should have kill-switches. “Knowing where the chips go is probably a very good thing. You could for example, on every chip put in essentially a public private key pair, which authenticates it and allows it to work”. hxxps://www.reuters.com/technology/chip-challenge-keeping-western-semiconductors-out-russian-weapons-2…

Did your airgapped systems get wiped remotely again, after the last time you posted about it 22 days ago? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32394353 > Eric Schmidt, the former Google chairman, told Reuters in a recent interview that high-end processors should have kill-switches. “Knowing where the chips go is probably a very good thing. [...]

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Post by throwaway4good »

throwaway4good wrote: post #198

There is a newly announced Chinese alternative to those GPUs - the Biren BR100. Fabbed at TSMC. (I guess we are about to see if SMIC can do their 7nm at scale.) https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/08/25/china-launches-the-i... CHINA LAUNCHES THE INEVITABLE INDIGENOUS GPU … Here is how Biren says it stacks up on various machine learning workloads, pitting the BR100 against the Nvidia A100: … We presume this is for AI tr…

This article has more technical details:

https://www.servethehome.com/biren-br100-gpu-for-datacenter-...

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Post by derefr »

ajmurmann wrote: post #145
xster wrote: post #106

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I think it's only ridiculous to the recipients of US MSM (which don't get me wrong, is hegemonic, but still insular). There's no confusion to it from the perspective of the RoC government (which claims a much wider legacy of the Qing government than the PRC does), the US government's official stance and 180 of 193 UN member states.

They do have a separate government in practice and seem to like it that way. Isn't that reason to see it as two separate countries?

Not if both governments consider the people living on the other government’s landmass to be rightfully their citizens as well.

A close analogy might be to East and West Germany: both agreed that there should be just one place called “Germany”; they just didn’t agree on who should be in charge of it.

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Post by carom »

coolspot wrote: post #226

Remember when that hacker group showed screenshots of multiple stolen NVidia repositories with drivers source code and alledgedly detailed chip IP stuff? Now China announces a powerful GPU. https://videocardz.com/newz/hackers-now-demand-nvidia-should... https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/08/25/china-launches-the-i...

>Biren was co-founded with Lingjie Xu, who was a senior GPU architect at Nvidia from 2008 through 2010, then a GPU architect at AMD for two years after that before taking a job as manager of GPU architecture at Samsung for five years after that. Significantly, Xu then became a director at Alibaba Cloud, the cloud division of the Chinese hyperscaler that is one of the Magnificent Seven top IT buyers in the world.

The grand tour.

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