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Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by pdntspa »

nabakin wrote: post #101
woeirua wrote: post #84

Meanwhile someone has already built a photoshop plugin for Stable Diffusion that you can use today to do basically the _exact_ same thing: https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/wyduk1/sho...

Doesn't make sense to me why OpenAI has kept DALL-E closed source for so long. I can only guess either safety from misuse or leveraging it for money. At this rate though, Stable Diffusion is going to dwarf it

> Doesn't make sense to me why OpenAI has kept DALL-E closed source for so long. I can only guess either safety from misuse

Paternalistic moralizing as a method to discriminate who gets access to models. Everyone else gets these cloud-service table scraps. That's why Stable Diffusion is so awesome -- YOU have the model!

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by NIL8 »

I love this idea of extending the canvas to build out the scene. It makes me wonder if anyone's tried using Poe's stories for illustrating with AI? His descriptive writing style seems ideal.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by nabakin »

nomel wrote: post #110
nabakin wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't make sense to me why OpenAI has kept DALL-E closed source for so long. I can only guess either safety from misuse or leveraging it for money. At this rate though, Stable Diffusion is going to dwarf it

> I can only guess either safety from misuse I still don't understand what this would mean. Where are all of the terrible things that were supposed to happen, now that Stable Diffusion is available? We've been able to create completely photorealistic fiction for decades now. See any movie with CGI for an example of whole worlds, and people, that don't exist. The bar has gradually been lowering (see the amazing CGI th…

While I think the fear might be overexaggerated, being able to make realistic fake content with such ease means it's harder to know what's true and what's not. Plus this has been the claim of OpenAI from the beginning. It's possible the true objective is to keep it private to leverage for money and this is just their excuse.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by crypto420_69 »

rvz wrote: post #7
dangero wrote: post #3

similar work using Stable Diffusion in a Photoshop plugin: https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/wyduk1/sho...

So DALL-E is already old news and the Stable Diffusion ecosystem is once again already ahead especially with this announcement. Quite funny to see OpenAI panicking and falling on their own sword, as they were supposed to be 'Open' in the first place and are now being disrupted by open source.

Also its quite funny to see OpenAI (with all their researchers and engineers) get disrupted by someone with little to no background (Emad) in AI and ML but who embraced OpenAI's original mission about making AI as open as possible.

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Post by naillo »

choppaface wrote: post #106
woeirua wrote: post #84

Meanwhile someone has already built a photoshop plugin for Stable Diffusion that you can use today to do basically the _exact_ same thing: https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/wyduk1/sho...

sama is very active in YC and makes the call on OpenAI product roadmap. Furthermore YC encourages good CEO-community relations. The fact that OpenAI is so far behind Stable Diffusion and has reduced pricing shows that sama wants OpenAI to be a highly profitable enterprise company. I.e. not “Open.” You can do both (e.g. Cloudera) but clearly sama is not strong enough at AI to make this happen.

I kinda feel like they chose the name "open"ai when they started back in 2015 because musk etc wanted exactly the kind of thing stability ai is now creating. I.e. something other than a corporation like google having primary access to these models, and it being more democratized. But as time as gone by they've strayed away from that vision but changing the name would be a PR nightmare.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by dang »

choppaface wrote: post #106
woeirua wrote: post #84

Meanwhile someone has already built a photoshop plugin for Stable Diffusion that you can use today to do basically the _exact_ same thing: https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/wyduk1/sho...

sama is very active in YC and makes the call on OpenAI product roadmap. Furthermore YC encourages good CEO-community relations. The fact that OpenAI is so far behind Stable Diffusion and has reduced pricing shows that sama wants OpenAI to be a highly profitable enterprise company. I.e. not “Open.” You can do both (e.g. Cloudera) but clearly sama is not strong enough at AI to make this happen.

> sama is very active in YC and makes the call on OpenAI product roadmap. Furthermore YC encourages good CEO-community relations

Sam hasn't been at YC in years and (based on anything I've seen) isn't active in YC at all. As for "YC encourages good CEO-community relations", I have no idea what that means* but it has nothing to do with HN. We encourage good content-community relations and that's it.

You have a long history of posting dark insinuations about YC/HN, not to mention nagging the mods about how bad we are and how much better you yourself have done the job in the past. I mostly let the latter go, but when you start with the ethical insinuations, that gets my dander up. It's time you stopped smearing people's reputations on HN. If you have evidence of wrongdoing, post it—I'm sure the community will be extremely interested. If you have no evidence, please stop from now on.

(Edit: I realize it probably sounds like I'm over-reacting to the parent comment, but this has been a longstanding pattern. We can cut people slack for years, but not infinitely.)

OpenAI stuff and Stable Diffusion stuff (and DeepMind stuff for that matter) are all popular on HN because the community is super interested—that's literally it. We're not pulling strings or playing favorites (we don't even have favorites in that horserace, at least I don't). As a matter of fact, the last thing I did before randomly running across your comment was downweight the current thread because of the complaints at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32665587.

* unless you mean that we advise founders about how to write content that actually interests the community—that we do, and not only YC founders but non-YC founders, open source programmers, bloggers, and anyone else. That's all a consequence of wanting HN to have good content and seeking to avoid the boring stuff. By the way, I'm working on an essay about how to write good for HN and avoid boring stuff too; if anyone would like to read it, email me at hn@ycombinator.com and I'll send you a copy.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by joemi »

kranke155 wrote: post #98
bob1029 wrote: post #8

How long until we can run this over shows like Star Trek Voyager/DS9 and Seinfeld to achieve believable 16:9 scenes?

Why would you do that? What an awful idea. People made those shows in the 4:3 format, you’d just be adding fluff. This is like adding more description to a book so it becomes an epic novel instead of a novella. I’d say keep to the creators intent…

I'm not the person who suggested it, but I wouldn't mind having it fill my (wide)screen when watching. That said, I understand that some film/tv uses the frame very precisely, however I'm not sure that these two particular examples do that throughout their entire episodes. (Though I bet that in Seinfeld in particular it might weaken/ruin a few visual gags.)

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by password54321 »

nabakin wrote: post #123
nomel wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can only guess either safety from misuse I still don't understand what this would mean. Where are all of the terrible things that were supposed to happen, now that Stable Diffusion is available? We've been able to create completely photorealistic fiction for decades now. See any movie with CGI for an example of whole worlds, and people, that don't exist. The bar has gradually been lowering (see the amazing CGI th…

While I think the fear might be overexaggerated, being able to make realistic fake content with such ease means it's harder to know what's true and what's not. Plus this has been the claim of OpenAI from the beginning. It's possible the true objective is to keep it private to leverage for money and this is just their excuse.

And how often does this happen with Photoshopped images that aren't immediately disproven?

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by oldstrangers »

cypress66 wrote: post #109
oldstrangers wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you expect them to provide computing power for free?

Did we really get to the point that anything that isn't SaaS seems alien? You know companies sold software that you paid once, and then ran as much as you wanted on your pc?

It doesn't seem odd to me that a product that involves an absurd amount of data and computing power isn't an easily consumable commercial product available for mass download.
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