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DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by dougabug »

bottlepalm wrote: post #73
have_faith wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Best I could do a month ago was a stick figure in MS Paint That is still the best you can do... which happens to be about the best I can do! Just like my introduction to the computer at a young age has atrophied my handwriting quality.

I guess if we’re going to get into semantics and the definition of self, where does the ‘I’ end and something else begin then I don’t really do anything. You could also say I can’t walk either without the ground.

I think he’s calling you a cyborg.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by guelo »

tough wrote: post #49
bottlepalm wrote: post #11

Feels like a race to the bottom. More features, lower cost, every week. No idea where it’ll level out, but I like it. Just bought some more Dalle credits today because it’s so much fun. This is a revolution in ‘art technology’ it’s like Steve Job’s bicycle for the mind. Best I could do a month ago was a stick figure in MS Paint, but now..

> it’s like Steve Job’s bicycle for the mind I have been thinking the same thing, it's sad Steve will not be able to see it

Not sure why that is more sad than all the other dead people that can't see it.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by jibe »

jonplackett wrote: post #57
aabhay wrote: post #31

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That's still a race to the bottom if the price isn't going up.

That’s not what a race to the bottom is. It’s just competition, which is usually good.

There is generally a negative connotation to race to the bottom. The Investopedia definition captures this:

The race to the bottom refers to a competitive situation where a company, state, or nation attempts to undercut the competition's prices by sacrificing quality standards or worker safety (often defying regulation), or reducing labor costs.

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by sho_hn »

boppo1 wrote: post #104
sho_hn wrote: post #82

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It does feel like art's disruptive "Calculator moment" is happening where you can now leave a lot of basic/mechanical tasks to a tool and give more focus to higher-minded problems. It's going to get so cool and interesting, I think. A lot of the conversation around art may focus more on composition and objectives of the artist in the new prompt engineering world, with less bias from factors such as rendition quality…

>basic/mechanical tasks to a tool and give more focus to higher-minded problems. >rendition quality... [is] so incidental. There's this thing in painting called 'mark making' and it can be the difference between an all-time-great painting and a throwaway portrait. Mark making speaks to every momentary choice of physical process a painter employs and reveals their thought process. For some of the greatest painters, it…

It's a fair point, and thanks for teaching me a new term!

There's a lovely documentary called "Tim's Vermeer" about Tim Jenison's - one of the founders of NewTek, the people behind Video Toaster and LightWave, incidentally both tools that made hard visual art tasks accessible to wider audiences - hobby side project to prove that Vermeer used sophisticated optical tools to capture and copy his scenes from physical sets, rather than e.g. paint his famous grasp on lighting purely from his own mind. He builds such tools himself and then proceeds to successfully create his own Vermeer-alike painting, despite possessing very artistic skill himself.

It's full of good ruminations (and good at sparking more) on tools-vs-artistry but also execution-vs-method, and whether designing and adopting innovative tools and the tedious process to use them made Vermeer less of a genius, or just a genius of a different kind than otherwise presumed.

It's very accessible and doesn't require knowing anything in particular from the art world.

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Post by 411111111111111 »

rjtavares wrote: post #89
411111111111111 wrote: post #69

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It often feels like words are losing their meaning, with everyone misusing terms they don't fully understand. I don't want to be a doomer and have have surely unknowingly misused terms as well, but its definitely noticable how these originally clearly defined terms are getting used in entirely new ways. And it's not just with technical terms like this, it also applies to originally obvious terms such as racism, sexis…

I can understand the criticism about technical terms (they work better if stable and precise), but regarding the rest: that's just how language works. You can't (and shouldn't) expect words to keep their original meaning forever. For example, the word "term" comes from the original latin "terminus" that means "end" or "boundary". It only got the meaning you used it for centuries after it was first used in English. Se…

Oh, it wasn't my intention to criticize anything or anyone in particular with that comment.

I was just pondering that our originally clearly defined terms are rapidly getting used in very confusing manner, which increases the difficulty of a discussion, as participants interpret words very differently.

I dont think that people look up the actual definition of terms in a thesaurus anymore. They hear it in some context and create their own personal definition. It wasn't as obvious before the internet i think, but nowadays everyone is bombarded with technical terms all the time, which likely contributes massively to this increasingly fluid terminology

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Post by wahnfrieden »

amelius wrote: post #107
nabakin wrote: post #101

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Doesn't make sense to me why OpenAI has kept DALL-E closed source for so long. I can only guess either safety from misuse or leveraging it for money. At this rate though, Stable Diffusion is going to dwarf it

Wasn't OpenAI supposed to "democratize deep learning"? It seems more like they were trying to accomplish the opposite.

It's in their interest to posture that way publicly while controlling scarcity of access where there's financial upside to

Re: DALL·E: Introducing Outpainting

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Post by cardine »

nabakin wrote: post #101
woeirua wrote: post #84

Meanwhile someone has already built a photoshop plugin for Stable Diffusion that you can use today to do basically the _exact_ same thing: https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/wyduk1/sho...

Doesn't make sense to me why OpenAI has kept DALL-E closed source for so long. I can only guess either safety from misuse or leveraging it for money. At this rate though, Stable Diffusion is going to dwarf it

> I can only guess either safety from misuse or leveraging it for money.

The former is being used as justification for the latter.

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Post by fartcannon »

tough wrote: post #49
bottlepalm wrote: post #11

Feels like a race to the bottom. More features, lower cost, every week. No idea where it’ll level out, but I like it. Just bought some more Dalle credits today because it’s so much fun. This is a revolution in ‘art technology’ it’s like Steve Job’s bicycle for the mind. Best I could do a month ago was a stick figure in MS Paint, but now..

> it’s like Steve Job’s bicycle for the mind I have been thinking the same thing, it's sad Steve will not be able to see it

Steve would be trying to lock it down in his walled garden.
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