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Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by bedhead »

acoard wrote: post #6

An accurate but pretty lacklustre "mea culpa" and retraction. I don't mind people making mistakes, everyone does, but seeing how Krebs has handled this whole episode has not inspired optimism in how he'll handle future mistakes. He was essentially used as an unwitting party in a cyber blackmail scheme, and he doesn't touch on that at all. There will continue to be nefarious parties trying to misuse his reputation, so…

I’m still bitter about this. The story absolutely reeked from the beginning and Krebs did nothing but unnecessarily sensationalize it like a tabloid journalist. I got downvoted a million times over when I pointed this out at the time, why I don’t know, it was obvious to anyone who wasn’t foaming at the mouth to pounce on Ubiquiti. In decades past this was a career-ending error…I wish it still was, I’ll never take a single word Krebs says seriously ever again.

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by oaiey »

acoard wrote: post #27
blantonl wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is about of straightforward as a "I screwed up, I own it, I apologize" Everyone makes mistakes. Some of the good work Krebs has done seems to be completely overshadowed by a mistake here. Granted, this is probably in response to some legal action either in progress or already settled, but what more do you want from the guy?

>Everyone makes mistakes. Fully agree, which is why I said the same thing. :) >Granted, this is probably in response to some legal action either in progress or already settled, but what more do you want from the guy? As I said in my post, a stated awareness that he was used in a cyber blackmail scheme, and at least some nominal promise to try and be aware of that in the future. The difference here is between "I made…

Saying that he was part of the blackmail scheme would make him maybe target of legal actions from Ubiquiti. So .. that you will not get. He has to do the same company-lingo like they all do after screwups.

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by oaiey »

bedhead wrote: post #121
acoard wrote: post #6

An accurate but pretty lacklustre "mea culpa" and retraction. I don't mind people making mistakes, everyone does, but seeing how Krebs has handled this whole episode has not inspired optimism in how he'll handle future mistakes. He was essentially used as an unwitting party in a cyber blackmail scheme, and he doesn't touch on that at all. There will continue to be nefarious parties trying to misuse his reputation, so…

I’m still bitter about this. The story absolutely reeked from the beginning and Krebs did nothing but unnecessarily sensationalize it like a tabloid journalist. I got downvoted a million times over when I pointed this out at the time, why I don’t know, it was obvious to anyone who wasn’t foaming at the mouth to pounce on Ubiquiti. In decades past this was a career-ending error…I wish it still was, I’ll never take a s…

One upvote returned ;)

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by oaiey »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #47

> As a result of the new information that has been provided to me, I no longer have faith in the veracity of my source or the information he provided to me. I always endeavor to ensure that my articles are properly sourced and factual. This is a strange statement given how the details of the FBI investigation have been public for a very long time. Krebs was fast to report on the initial accusations, but seems to have…

Maybe part of an informal settlement ;)

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by neilv »

acoard wrote: post #6

An accurate but pretty lacklustre "mea culpa" and retraction. I don't mind people making mistakes, everyone does, but seeing how Krebs has handled this whole episode has not inspired optimism in how he'll handle future mistakes. He was essentially used as an unwitting party in a cyber blackmail scheme, and he doesn't touch on that at all. There will continue to be nefarious parties trying to misuse his reputation, so…

I'd guess he's been advised not to say too much, and the specific way to say what he did.

Besides the ongoing criminal case for which he may be a witness, I'd guess there may be potential liability wrt the company, and I'd guess that he's being careful not to create new potential liability wrt the indicted person (see several different nuances in his "My sole source" sentence).

And this sounds like a lawyer-approved away to convey that he recognizes the importance, without saying any specific possible mistake of his that could be fodder, nor prejudging the case:

> I always endeavor to ensure that my articles are properly sourced and factual.

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by IncRnd »

bombcar wrote: post #58
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #47

> As a result of the new information that has been provided to me, I no longer have faith in the veracity of my source or the information he provided to me. I always endeavor to ensure that my articles are properly sourced and factual. This is a strange statement given how the details of the FBI investigation have been public for a very long time. Krebs was fast to report on the initial accusations, but seems to have…

This is a failure across many journalists; the inability to view what they're involved with objectively. The amount of scrutiny applied to a source is inversely proportional with how much I want to believe the source.

> This is a failure across many journalists

Only one journalist was involved here. I think you meant "failing of many journalists" not "failure across many".

> The amount of scrutiny applied to a source is inversely proportional with how much I want to believe the source.

Why do you disbelieve a source that has been greatly scrutinized? Did you mean "directly proportional"?

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by oaiey »

InTheArena wrote: post #44
user3939382 wrote: post #29

Ubiquiti is so worried about suing Krebs meanwhile their brand reputation has turned to mud due to the quality of their products, both from my own experience and the general consensus I've heard online. If this incident had never occurred I still would have stopped recommending and using their equipment.

Give it a try again. I have a ton of equipment, and it's just working well for me now. I think the consensus among ubiquiti users has shifted considerably over the last year.

True. The new UI finally got better ... and that was what everyone was complaining about ;). And let us be honest, the UI matters with Unifi.

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by mikestew »

hot_gril wrote: post #117
OJFord wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody competes with them as 'Apple for networking', but MikroTik is if anything a bit cheaper and better on the actual specs etc. - just without the snazzy UI and easy GUI (highly-G) config. There's probably a lot of people who'd love Ubiquiti gear ('gadget nerds', Linus Tech Tips viewers, gamers, etc.) to whom I wouldn't recommend MikroTik, but to anyone who's.. idk, heard of iptables, I would. All the gamer-market…

> Nobody competes with them as 'Apple for networking' Apple used to ;_; I was still using my Airport Expresses until they gave out. Didn't care if they didn't have the latest wifi standards, they were way easier to manage than Ubiquiti or anything else.

As a hard-core Apple Airport user for a long time, the Apple stuff was great until it wasn't. For example, wanting to put the Xbox in the DMZ. You can do that on the Airports, but it's not called "DMZ" (IIRC) and it's not at all obvious. Whereas Ubiquiti is like the industrial version of an Airport or something, because if you do want to put devices in a DMZ or on a VLAN, you can do it and without a lot of effort. Of course, Ubiquiti's stuff has limitations, so the next stop is...MicroTik? Cisco?

But, yeah, if Apple had kept the Airports going, I'd have had little reason to look elsewhere, and would probably still use them.

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by duxup »

Jenk wrote: post #114
duxup wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a site that generally is there to give you the inside scoop on what is really going on / happened, interesting / disappointing that the choice is to not do so here. To me "sorry I was wrong" isn't enough.

That's a non-answer. What more do you want? What would be "enough"?

I don't know what you mean by non answer.
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