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Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by msh »

xxpor wrote: post #33
user3939382 wrote: post #29

Ubiquiti is so worried about suing Krebs meanwhile their brand reputation has turned to mud due to the quality of their products, both from my own experience and the general consensus I've heard online. If this incident had never occurred I still would have stopped recommending and using their equipment.

The problem from my end though is, who really competes with them? No one else offers the same level of control at the same (or even close) price point.

Mikrotik is in the same price range but not as polished.

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by InTheArena »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #35
InTheArena wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's solidified incredibly over the last year. It no longer requires centralized login, no longer shows ads (or you can opt out of them. I don't see it one way or another). More importantly, the network infrastructure has gotten much much better. I haven't had any stability issues other then testing our new early adopter firmware, and the first versions of policy based load balancing have landed.

Recent updates to the base UDM have been noticeably better than before. I don’t know what they’re doing differently but I hope they continue along this trajectory.

Yeah, the investment is showing. I just installed a UDR at my parents place, and it's awesome. Provides not only the UDM functionality, but also VOIP or cameras out of the box - with everything in a fully managed state.

They are doing a lot of enterprisey bits right now, but I think their more prosumer stuff is also doing well.

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by kevinmgranger »

xxpor wrote: post #33
user3939382 wrote: post #29

Ubiquiti is so worried about suing Krebs meanwhile their brand reputation has turned to mud due to the quality of their products, both from my own experience and the general consensus I've heard online. If this incident had never occurred I still would have stopped recommending and using their equipment.

The problem from my end though is, who really competes with them? No one else offers the same level of control at the same (or even close) price point.

I've heard good things about MikroTik?

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by InTheArena »

user3939382 wrote: post #29

Ubiquiti is so worried about suing Krebs meanwhile their brand reputation has turned to mud due to the quality of their products, both from my own experience and the general consensus I've heard online. If this incident had never occurred I still would have stopped recommending and using their equipment.

Give it a try again. I have a ton of equipment, and it's just working well for me now. I think the consensus among ubiquiti users has shifted considerably over the last year.

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by NelsonMinar »

It's great that he retracted his story but the way he did it isn't so great. In particular he's removed his older incorrect stories and replaced them with a redirect to the retraction. Thankfully the Wayback Machine has archives

https://web.archive.org/web/20220223015405/https://krebsonse...

https://web.archive.org/web/20220711220855/https://krebsonse...

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by stronglikedan »

acoard wrote: post #6

An accurate but pretty lacklustre "mea culpa" and retraction. I don't mind people making mistakes, everyone does, but seeing how Krebs has handled this whole episode has not inspired optimism in how he'll handle future mistakes. He was essentially used as an unwitting party in a cyber blackmail scheme, and he doesn't touch on that at all. There will continue to be nefarious parties trying to misuse his reputation, so…

This is why he should have never apologized in the first place, but rather just admit being wrong an move on. Apologies are never enough for some people, and often even weaponized.

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

> As a result of the new information that has been provided to me, I no longer have faith in the veracity of my source or the information he provided to me. I always endeavor to ensure that my articles are properly sourced and factual.

This is a strange statement given how the details of the FBI investigation have been public for a very long time.

Krebs was fast to report on the initial accusations, but seems to have waited as long as possible to write about the revelations that his source was actually the perpetrator.

> This time, I missed the mark and, as a result, I would like to extend my sincerest apologies to Ubiquiti, and I have decided to remove those articles from my website.

Given that Krebs is a reporter who has historically built a reputation on exposing things and bringing information to light, the brevity and vagueness of this article feels much more like a compromise to settle a lawsuit than typical reporting.

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by PuppyTailWags »

acoard wrote: post #27
blantonl wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is about of straightforward as a "I screwed up, I own it, I apologize" Everyone makes mistakes. Some of the good work Krebs has done seems to be completely overshadowed by a mistake here. Granted, this is probably in response to some legal action either in progress or already settled, but what more do you want from the guy?

>Everyone makes mistakes. Fully agree, which is why I said the same thing. :) >Granted, this is probably in response to some legal action either in progress or already settled, but what more do you want from the guy? As I said in my post, a stated awareness that he was used in a cyber blackmail scheme, and at least some nominal promise to try and be aware of that in the future. The difference here is between "I made…

I think it's obvious he's going to do something to avoid this happening again but also I highly doubt anything would be disclosed publicly about this. This isn't exactly a guy with a track record of not learning.

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by InTheArena »

beams_of_light wrote: post #37
xxpor wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem from my end though is, who really competes with them? No one else offers the same level of control at the same (or even close) price point.

The old adage "you get what you pay for" applies here. Yeah, it's cheaper than buying Meraki, Aruba, Fortinet, etc, but the IDS/IPS on their Dream Machine is awful, logging is awful, reliability of anything but wireless gear is awful, Protect storage equipment is awful...

This is just getting silly.

They use Suricata for the IDS/IPS. I have a UDMP, and I route 2.5GB a second across two load balanced connections (fiber and cable) on full IDS/IPS with no problems. I have logging going to greylog without any issues, but am looking to move to Loki. I have a UDMP, with a single 8TB disk for my camera, but you can grab a UNVR if you need more storage. If you need two, grab two UNVRs to cover a whole site. They pair now. And if you are a prosumer instead of a homelab / busoiness site grab a UDR, with a fast flash disk. You can pair that into Homekit secure with Homebridge (or even better, Scrypted).

I have 5 Unifi 6 devices - zero problems with them in well over a year at this point. I get 800mb/s from any location on-site.

Re: Final thoughts on Ubiquiti

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Post by Arainach »

msh wrote: post #41
xxpor wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem from my end though is, who really competes with them? No one else offers the same level of control at the same (or even close) price point.

Mikrotik is in the same price range but not as polished.

"Not as polished" is an incredibly generous term. Unless something has radically changed, Mikrotik basically requires remoting in with a command line and understanding all the implementation details. It's like trying to run a FreeBSD box as a router. Ubiquiti's tooling for common workflows is generations ahead, not a coat of polish.
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