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Rapamycin, drug used in cancer therapy, emerges as powerful anti-aging remedy

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Re: Rapamycin, drug used in cancer therapy, emerges as powerful anti-aging remedy

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FYI one study shows that rapamycin increases amyloid-beta protein plaques in the brains of mice. https://neurosciencenews.com/rapamycin-amyloid-beta-20770/

All of the original data around amloyd-beta protein data was faked. A lot of it was even just outright photoshopped. https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/faked-beta-amyloid...

That seems like an extremely oversimplified summary of the article you've linked to.

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#102
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> ... to simply stop consuming nutrients for extended periods of time That is not simple for most people.

This is Hackernews. The cure is fasting. Whatever disease you have, the cure is fasting.

So many chronic diseases in first world countries these days are downstream consequences of metabolic disorders. That is why it's so commonly recommended.

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#103

Just putting this out there, I am a PharmD and this is totally real and the traditional medical establishment is really behind. It is positive effects are beyond doubt - the argument against it is usually "we don't know what the side effects if 100m+ went on it for 20+ years". (which is also 100% true, but that's where patient autonomy comes in). Also, there are some questions about how much are really the positive e…

What makes me scared about this is that it's immunosuppressive. The immune system is a very important part of the human body, and I worry that taking it could have terrible health impact after years of acting on your body lines of defense.

What can you tell me about it?

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> long as you can bear it This gives zero evidence a threshold has been reached for enzyme activation. There is evidence of effects after 72 hours of fasting [1]. But we also know of counter-effects around 24 hours, when glucose released by the liver breaking down amino acids from muscle wasting (EDIT: autophagy) partially reactivates mTOR [2]. It could be massive or minimal benefits through 24 hours, we don't know,…

I wouldn't call protein breakdown in the muscle "wasting" without additional effects

> wouldn't call protein breakdown in the muscle "wasting" without additional effects

Fair enough, given it's voluntary [1]. It's biologically identical to wasting, however.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasting

Re: Rapamycin, drug used in cancer therapy, emerges as powerful anti-aging remedy

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This is Hackernews. The cure is fasting. Whatever disease you have, the cure is fasting.

And somehow the answer to "how did it make you healthier?" is almost always just weight loss or effects related to weight loss.

Just like you wouldn't grasp the incredibility of an acid trip unless you did one yourself.

Changes in one's perception of local stimuli and focus abilities are almost impossible to convey to others.

Re: Rapamycin, drug used in cancer therapy, emerges as powerful anti-aging remedy

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And somehow the answer to "how did it make you healthier?" is almost always just weight loss or effects related to weight loss.

Just like you wouldn't grasp the incredibility of an acid trip unless you did one yourself. Changes in one's perception of local stimuli and focus abilities are almost impossible to convey to others.

If you want to sell me on the health effects you should be able to list them. If it made you feel better but not in an objectively measurable way that's great, but that's not a health effect.

Re: Rapamycin, drug used in cancer therapy, emerges as powerful anti-aging remedy

#108
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Anyone taking or have taken Rapamycin or things that change mTor? How did that go? Is there risk of infections? David Sinclair got me interested in this topic. Also people who fast for a long time: How do you do that? I get super hangry and find it really a struggle past a certain point of not eating.

I fast a lot, right now I do 36 - 72h every 6 - 8 weeks. The hardest moment is right when your body is about to switch from using glucose to using ketone bodies for energy. After that the hunger, feeling anxious, etc stops. The time it takes to get to that point (when feeling "bad" intensifies) and how long the transition takes can be influenced. Primarily, by what you eat before you fast. In general, avoid eating ca…

I've dabbled in fasting and found my ability to do it comfortably varies a ton day-to-day. Some days I'm craving food by noon and/or am very tired and practically can't think at all by 3PM (this is pretty bad on work days, obviously, but not really great on any day). Other days I can go from wake-up to lie-down without a single bite of food, and hardly notice a thing. I can't tell in advance which it's going to be, so rather than sticking hard to a fasting schedule, when I'm in the mood to do it I'll pick days to try, and if at some point it becomes clear I'm gonna wreck my whole day if I persist, I bail and eat a meal. Ends up being about 50/50, days that work out and days that don't, if I try a couple days per week.

Sometimes I can approach 48 hours before I start to feel bad, other times I can't even make it one day before I'm a mess and can hardly function. I'm sure the difference has to do with blood sugar timing and/or what I ate the day before or something.

Re: Rapamycin, drug used in cancer therapy, emerges as powerful anti-aging remedy

#110
post #99

genuine question: why would someone want to live longer than the average? Edit: I ask because I personally don't see a reason to stay alive while people I love are dying, I don't see a reason to stay alive in an already fucked up planet, while we empty all the resources, etc. But you guys are so smart, intelligent and clever, why even bother.

Because I'm so "so smart, intelligent and clever" and the alternative is unknown to me. Simple 1+1

Exactly!
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