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Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by Theodores »

pcdoodle wrote: post #13

I think CRTs let your brain do some antialiasing so free details. I have some old 600mb divx rips that still look pretty damn good when viewed on a CRT.

Did you know that the JPEG image format is 'designed for CRTs'?

You can use different look up tables in a JPEG image and Mozilla did this to make JPEGs work for digital screens where there isn't that blurring for free.

The Mozilla encoder went way over most people's heads and the default JPEGturbo algorithm most operating systems and applications use is from the CRT era when compute cycles cost thousands more than they do today.

CRTs also smoothed out details on screen, it was a shock for TV world going from standard resolution 4:3 CRT to 16:9 Digital Full HD because analog TV had this wonderful way of magically hiding scratches in a set so long as you threw tens of kilowatts of light at everything in the studio. With digital the sets had to be rebuilt because everything looked shabby.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by incrudible »

system2 wrote: post #59
throwaway09223 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

50ms network latency is not the same thing as 50ms controller to display latency. If your network latency is 50ms, you still have extremely low, almost zero latency for most operations like using the mouse to change the look direction. 50ms display latency would make a modern FPS utterly unplayable. Games like SSB are extremely latency dependent.

My point is, it is not worth to change the whole lcd technology just for games like ssb. Which is probably 1ms latency for lcd is enough.

LCDs may refresh pixels at a rate of 1ms, that does not mean the pixel displayed is only 1ms away from the input. You can get maybe 10ms of input lag with the very best setups. Modern TVs easily have 100ms of lag out of the box due to processing which you may or may not be able to bypass.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by eternityforest »

They're vintage enthusiast items. Someone who likes classic cars will probably not want to replace everything with modern digital stuff. CRTs will always have that, as long as they are available.

Definitely not something I'd want to own though. They're bulky, significantly hot, sometimes noisy, full of lead glass. And... HD is pretty nice.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by eternityforest »

zepolen wrote: post #64
tinus_hn wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be aware of the energy you are wasting, a modern tv uses much less power than a crt.

Be aware of the energy you are wasting, a modern AI uses much less power than a human.

Older technology like paintings just sitting there in a museum and Greek sculpture used way less power than AI.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by ace2358 »

bironran wrote: post #17

The biggest advantage of CRT is that my cat could sit on one. He would be drawn to that heat generating machine, lay on top of it with his fore legs dangling over the edge of the screen and snooze while I played whatever video game was the current hit well into the night. I miss that cat-butt-warmer. I miss my cat too.

My cat used to sleep on my crt during 36 -48 gaming sessions of Everquest during school holidays with my best buddy. Two computers next to each other. Too much cola. Huge amounts of rage when we would die. Most likely because we barely slept. Heh.

Then when I got my first MacBook Pro around 2007 my cat decided that the hot as keyboard was the new sleeping spot. No more computer use for me when he wanted to sleep haha.

I miss that cat too.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by Semaphor »

eternityforest wrote: post #83

They're vintage enthusiast items. Someone who likes classic cars will probably not want to replace everything with modern digital stuff. CRTs will always have that, as long as they are available. Definitely not something I'd want to own though. They're bulky, significantly hot, sometimes noisy, full of lead glass. And... HD is pretty nice.

> Definitely not something I'd want to own

Not something I’d ever want to return to. Back when I finally had an LCD, it was so amazing. When every place had LCDs, it was even better, no more annoying sounds!

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by rtwok »

system2 wrote: post #29
pcdoodle wrote: post #13

I think CRTs let your brain do some antialiasing so free details. I have some old 600mb divx rips that still look pretty damn good when viewed on a CRT.

It is simply adding a tiny bit of blur to the entire image.

If you do that the image just looks blurry.

The magic is that it looks soft on a CRT. soft != blurry

In my experience a simple scanline filter surprisingly helps in softening upscaled low res. The draw back is that the overall brightness is reduced.

You can't win with LCD.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by nyanpasu64 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #8
Veliladon wrote: post #2

The biggest advantage is that CRTs can have variable geometry pixels which match a lot of older resolutions and aspect ratios. While it's a lot easier to deal with non-square pixels on higher resolution displays (i.e. 1600x1200 can properly emulate a 1.2:1 rectangular pixel of a 320x200 display) CRTs still have effectively infinitely variable shaped pixels.

Let's not forget that you could freely adjust the refresh rate to resolution ratio to the maximum bandwidth supported by the monitor. On my old 21" CRT, I would have the desktop at 1600x1200 @ 75Hz for maximum productivity and when gaming I would switch to 1024x768 @ 120Hz for "pwning n00bs" in Unreal Tournament '99/Quake 3 Arena. Meanwhile my 2019 4K display is a fixed 60Hz regardless of how much I lower the resolut…

Sadly CRT SDTVs don't allow increasing the horizontal refresh rate beyond around 15.7 KHz (480i or 240p). I wish I had a CRT monitor, but don't have a space set out for it, and haven't looked for one.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by paulannesley »

jrm4 wrote: post #31
pcdoodle wrote: post #13

I think CRTs let your brain do some antialiasing so free details. I have some old 600mb divx rips that still look pretty damn good when viewed on a CRT.

I just had this idea and I cant be the only one though, what about just a slightly blurry physical glass/plastic overlay?

Apple's Studio Display has a “nano‑texture glass” option, which is designed to reduce reflection/glare, but also subtly-but-noticeably blurs the image.

Looking at them side by side, I somewhat preferred the blur/bloom of the nano‑texture glass, perhaps due to retro CRT nostalgia. At 5K it's still incredibly crisp compared to 1x pixels (e.g. 27" 1440p).

(But… for looking at code/text all day in a room without ambient lighting problems, I chose the crisp image of the plain (antireflective-coated) glass instead)

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by nottorp »

xwolfi wrote: post #74
asciimov wrote: post #71

Things I don't miss from CRTS: Their weight, the heat they put off, eye strain caused by low refresh rates (below 75hz for me), having to adjust the rabbit ears or outdoor antenna when one of the 4 channels got too snowy, image burn in. Things that I miss from CRTS: black is black not grey, console tvs and tv's as furniture, better viewing angles as people didn't mount their damned tv over a fireplace or up high in g…

Try OLED it solved the black, the viewing angle, the video games look insane, the near zero bezels make the image seem floating and well a remote control can adapt brightness well.

It did? I thought they're advertising themselves based on how effectively they can blind you.

You could turn down the brightness on a CRT down to 10% or less at night and still use it.

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