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Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by washadjeffmad »

qayxc wrote: post #45
andsoitis wrote: post #32

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More comprehensive list or trade offs between the two: https://www.displaymate.com/crtvslcd.html

Wow, that list is so outdated, it's not even funny. Most of the negatives listed on the LCD side have been non-issues for years (e.g. viewing angles).

There are many different panel technologies, and some do have poor viewing angles as a tradeoff for other features.

I own a 10-bit 4K Innolux VA panel from 2013 that washes out with vertical orientation, and a similar spec LG TV from 2019 that does the same. Both are better than TN panels but still make it hard to look at while standing or laying down.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by throwaway09223 »

system2 wrote: post #59
throwaway09223 wrote: post #56

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50ms network latency is not the same thing as 50ms controller to display latency. If your network latency is 50ms, you still have extremely low, almost zero latency for most operations like using the mouse to change the look direction. 50ms display latency would make a modern FPS utterly unplayable. Games like SSB are extremely latency dependent.

My point is, it is not worth to change the whole lcd technology just for games like ssb. Which is probably 1ms latency for lcd is enough.

It's not just SSB. There are entire classes of games that aren't playable even at novice levels on modern LEDs like Guitar Hero style rhythm games.

LEDs often have much higher latency than necessary. Many have ALLM modes which disable certain features to decrease latency. We already have changed LED technology for this reason -- higher end computer monitors specifically focus on latency now. It's a really big deal.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by andsoitis »

marcinzm wrote: post #43
andsoitis wrote: post #32

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More comprehensive list or trade offs between the two: https://www.displaymate.com/crtvslcd.html

That seems to be a decade out of date at this point.

What is the latest in CRT technology so that one can compare?

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by zepolen »

tinus_hn wrote: post #60
cannam wrote: post #35

I can't imagine loving a monitor the way I loved my iiyama Vision Master Pro. 1600x1200 at 71Hz driven from a Matrox Millennium (4MB VRAM and no 3D acceleration whatsoever) with soft-edged pixels and no visible grain or mesh. It was by far the best computer-related object I had ever owned. But that would be so impractical now, given its bulk and what else is available. We actually still have a CRT as our main TV here…

Be aware of the energy you are wasting, a modern tv uses much less power than a crt.

Be aware of the energy you are wasting, a modern AI uses much less power than a human.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by bzzzt »

tinus_hn wrote: post #60
cannam wrote: post #35

I can't imagine loving a monitor the way I loved my iiyama Vision Master Pro. 1600x1200 at 71Hz driven from a Matrox Millennium (4MB VRAM and no 3D acceleration whatsoever) with soft-edged pixels and no visible grain or mesh. It was by far the best computer-related object I had ever owned. But that would be so impractical now, given its bulk and what else is available. We actually still have a CRT as our main TV here…

Be aware of the energy you are wasting, a modern tv uses much less power than a crt.

Depends on what modern TV since most people are buying bigger TV's now. An 28" CRT uses about the same amount of power as a 55" OLED so replacing the former with the latter does not improve energy use.

Besides that, energy is not wasted if it's used to make pretty pictures ;).

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by midoridensha »

bloody_bocker wrote: post #41
cannam wrote: post #35

I can't imagine loving a monitor the way I loved my iiyama Vision Master Pro. 1600x1200 at 71Hz driven from a Matrox Millennium (4MB VRAM and no 3D acceleration whatsoever) with soft-edged pixels and no visible grain or mesh. It was by far the best computer-related object I had ever owned. But that would be so impractical now, given its bulk and what else is available. We actually still have a CRT as our main TV here…

> feels as if you're watching the making-of documentary rather than the film itself. Isn't that because of many picture enhancers that come with modern tvs? I think major offender is the interpolation to go from cinematic 24 frames to higher frame rate. I believe it's commonly called soap opera effect...

Yep, but there's no reason to use it. Just go to the settings menu and turn it off. While you're in there, set the color settings to "movie" mode too so the colors are more faithful.

Modern TVs look absolutely horrible out-of-the-box, because they're made to look cool in showrooms, but if you fix those settings they look great. Even better, turn on a YouTube video that shows how to adjust the black and white levels and tune them.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by eyelidlessness »

bironran wrote: post #17

The biggest advantage of CRT is that my cat could sit on one. He would be drawn to that heat generating machine, lay on top of it with his fore legs dangling over the edge of the screen and snooze while I played whatever video game was the current hit well into the night. I miss that cat-butt-warmer. I miss my cat too.

Upvoted for wholesome cat love. I miss your cat on your behalf.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by midoridensha »

mike_hock wrote: post #46
Dalewyn wrote: post #27

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LCDs and their ineptitude with non native resolutions deeply annoys me. Sure, pixels in an LCD are fixed, but even resolutions that are multiples of 2 of their native resolution look like crap. 4K monitor? Surely it can handle 1080p, it's just dividing by 2; four physical pixels for one logical pixel, right? Nope! Looks like horseshit. Seemingly LCD monitors can't divide by 2. CRTs can handle any resolution within th…

It's because there always has to be some retarded-ass "enhancement" going on fucking with the colors, fucking with the image in any which way possible. Bullshit sharpening filter, bullshit edge detection filter that produces shitty artifacts around actual sharp edges that don't need to be fucked with. The early LCDs were shit because they did only nearest-point sampling. The new LCDs are shit because they "enhance" t…

>The new LCDs are shit because they "enhance" the image to shit, even in native resolution.

If you're talking about motion interpolation and that kind of thing, that can all be easily turned off.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by ahartmetz »

tshaddox wrote: post #30
NackerHughes wrote: post #20

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1. they're Thinner And Lighter™ 2. ...err... 3. ...that's it...

And also vastly higher resolution, pixel density, contrast ratio, brightness, color depth, and display sizes. Oh and vastly lower energy consumption and heat output.

No to contrast ratio and color depth.

Contrast: The electron gun can turn off (OLEDs as well btw), LCDs will always bleed some backlight (although they have region dimming now).

Color depth: only limited by GPU's RAMDAC, 10 bits were available in some Matrox cards.

Re: Advantages of CRT over LCD

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Post by robocat »

CarVac wrote: post #34
chizhik-pyzhik wrote: post #25

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> work by modders to reduce the input lag introduced by the game engine itself Can you link something about this? are people rewriting the core engine of melee?

There's a phenomenon known as Polling Drift where the 2x-per-frame input polling at 120 Hz is mismatched with the NTSC framerate that's 0.1% slower, leading to a variable 0-0.5 frame input lag. This can be patched out. Additionally, they found that there is an extra frame of buffer hanging around that wasn't necessary so that can be removed. There might be something else too?

Another HN user mentioned a skipped frame every 20 seconds on a Dell monitor: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32582085
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