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You can install Telegram with f-droid, and it works well on a degoogled phone. Signal forbids alternate clients and is not on f-droid. It's thus just not an option.
> Signal forbids alternate clients Which might be due to their E2E encryption?!?
Hi, German here. How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’s clearly not seriously privacy fucused.
If you want to make a protected application, don't tie it to any real world data. That is very easy.
Hi, German here. How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’s clearly not seriously privacy fucused.
UX of Signal is terrible. Part of that is a direct result of security-usability trade-offs. > The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. I am using it for public chats. -------------------- EDIT: this is inacurate, see replies For example I get repeated "insert PIN password here to remember it". I have a password manager. There is no way to get rid of it, even via d…
41% OPTION 1: No changes. Telegram may continue to share IP addresses and phone numbers of terror suspects only based on a court decision
21% OPTION 2: Upon request by German police authorities, Telegram may disclose IP addresses and phone numbers of suspects of serious crimes, even if not supported by a court decision.
34% OPTION 3: Under no circumstances may Telegram share user information, including IP addresses and phone numbers of terror suspects.
4% No opinion / I am not from Germany
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Sounds like option 3: "If this option is supported, Telegram will change its data structure and privacy policy for users from Germany."
I would prefer them to be clearer to say "we will redesign our systems so we no longer store IP addresses". "Change our data structure" sounds like they might just host the servers outside the country and use a "Telegram Deutschland Inc" company that doesn't have access to any user data to run the service.
Sadly I think that it is the slippery slope for Telegram. Instead of the spirit of privacy first, they start to concede little by little for commercial interests. First it is just the IP and phone number. Then, it will be extended to contacts. Because, why not, that can be useful also for "terrorist investigations". Then it will be chat history,because it makes sense, the police has a warrant... And telegram is techn…
That is I imagine requests would be in the shape of "here is a username give us IP and phone number".
It is also relevant to know whether German courts can order to collect this information, it is also relevant that German courts apply German jurisdiction universally (an example there are African war lords convicted of war crimes that have no relation to Germany or German citizens).
Personally I would prefer privacy first companies to focus on lobbying the idea that these kind of court orders are to be used sparingly rather than enter an adversarial arm race with regulators.
Lots of people here in Germany use Telegram for their purchases of substances (a serious crime here) because they consider it safe. If there's a danger of Telegram sharing their data with the police, the app is no longer safe. If it it's no longer safe for one thing, people won't use it for anything.
Is there anything special going on in Germany atm to prompt this? I‘m slighlty confused why they would do such a poll…
Telegram is considered a platform for people, which do not respect the basic values of democracy like groups far right expressing xenophobia and groups which think (and express loudly) of the COVID measures as repression by some elite against the common citizen. Most of them whish for a autoritarian government. Groups which act against the constitution are observed by the Verfassungsschutz, an authority to protect th…