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Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by dividuum »

matkoniecz wrote: post #42
izzytcp wrote: post #3

Hi, German here. How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’s clearly not seriously privacy fucused.

UX of Signal is terrible. Part of that is a direct result of security-usability trade-offs. > The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. I am using it for public chats. -------------------- EDIT: this is inacurate, see replies For example I get repeated "insert PIN password here to remember it". I have a password manager. There is no way to get rid of it, even via d…

> There is no way to get rid of it, even via deeply hidden settings.

At least on iOS: Settings > Account > [ ] PIN Reminders. I would be very surprised if there isn't a similar way of disabling those reminders on Android.

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by red_trumpet »

greatgib wrote: post #13

Sadly I think that it is the slippery slope for Telegram. Instead of the spirit of privacy first, they start to concede little by little for commercial interests. First it is just the IP and phone number. Then, it will be extended to contacts. Because, why not, that can be useful also for "terrorist investigations". Then it will be chat history,because it makes sense, the police has a warrant... And telegram is techn…

What do you mean by "for commercial interests"?

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by [deleted] »

matkoniecz wrote: post #42
izzytcp wrote: post #3

Hi, German here. How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’s clearly not seriously privacy fucused.

UX of Signal is terrible. Part of that is a direct result of security-usability trade-offs. > The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. I am using it for public chats. -------------------- EDIT: this is inacurate, see replies For example I get repeated "insert PIN password here to remember it". I have a password manager. There is no way to get rid of it, even via d…

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Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by [deleted] »

greatgib wrote: post #13

Sadly I think that it is the slippery slope for Telegram. Instead of the spirit of privacy first, they start to concede little by little for commercial interests. First it is just the IP and phone number. Then, it will be extended to contacts. Because, why not, that can be useful also for "terrorist investigations". Then it will be chat history,because it makes sense, the police has a warrant... And telegram is techn…

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Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by matkoniecz »

dividuum wrote: post #51
matkoniecz wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UX of Signal is terrible. Part of that is a direct result of security-usability trade-offs. > The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. I am using it for public chats. -------------------- EDIT: this is inacurate, see replies For example I get repeated "insert PIN password here to remember it". I have a password manager. There is no way to get rid of it, even via d…

> There is no way to get rid of it, even via deeply hidden settings. At least on iOS: Settings > Account > [ ] PIN Reminders. I would be very surprised if there isn't a similar way of disabling those reminders on Android.

Thanks, used that! And edited my post. Either I missed it or they added it after I started using Signal.

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by matkoniecz »

durkie wrote: post #49
matkoniecz wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UX of Signal is terrible. Part of that is a direct result of security-usability trade-offs. > The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. I am using it for public chats. -------------------- EDIT: this is inacurate, see replies For example I get repeated "insert PIN password here to remember it". I have a password manager. There is no way to get rid of it, even via d…

I have a "pin reminders" setting in iOS signal that I can turn off. It's in Settings > Account

Thanks, used that! And edited my post. Either I missed it or they added it after I started using Signal.

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

#57

Post by felurx »

ginnungagap wrote: post #19

Where are German users supposed to have received this message? I'm not German but my telegram account is registered with a German number and I haven't received anything

Via the chat labeled "Telegram" with the verification mark, the one you also get info about new features from when there's an update.

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

#58

Post by ElCheapo »

If a company stores data about you, they WILL give it ALL to law enforcement.

How to avoid this?

Don't store any data, as simple as that.

Use p2p E2EE services. The server will only orchestrate between connections but no actual data will pass through it, giving the cops absolutely nothing except connection logs! Sure, they can still see when you connected and who you requested to talk with, but there are many mitigations and (unless they actively sniff you) they won't even have a byte of data you actually sent to that person

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by martin_a »

onli wrote: post #35
izzytcp wrote: post #3

Hi, German here. How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’s clearly not seriously privacy fucused.

You can install Telegram with f-droid, and it works well on a degoogled phone. Signal forbids alternate clients and is not on f-droid. It's thus just not an option.

> Signal forbids alternate clients

Which might be due to their E2E encryption?!?

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by felurx »

j16sdiz wrote: post #48
mtmail wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can confirm. After selecting an answer the poll even shows percentages.

What's the percentage now? Not German, but still want to know

41% Option 1, 21% Option 2, 34% Option 3, 4% abstention

Since the poll already has >1.1 million votes, I wouldn't expect those numbers to change a lot

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