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Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by detaro »

londons_explore wrote: post #18
cabirum wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany repeatedly threanened to ban or remove Telegram from app stores if they ignore requests to delete channels or to provide some data. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/germany-tel...

If I were in telegrams position, I would move this power to 'moderators' rather like Reddit. Then tell the government that if they want to use a court order to remove content, they need to request that the independent moderators of the channel do it.

Why would any court or government care about Telegram/Reddit saying that?

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by croes »

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #23
izzytcp wrote: post #3

Hi, German here. How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’s clearly not seriously privacy fucused.

Because you lose all your chat history without any way to export it. I unfortunately have convinced some of my relatives to use Signal without me looking into it beforehand. Now because of Signal’s moronic design I dread the day when something happens and I decide I want to save all our chats for posterity / memories, but wouldn’t be able to. There is simply no “export” button. There is some way to do it on Android b…

https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007059752-Ba...

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by z02d »

traspler wrote: post #4

Is there anything special going on in Germany atm to prompt this? I‘m slighlty confused why they would do such a poll…

Yes, see the German article: Gouvernment and Developer conflict about free speech, cyber bullying,, ... .

https://www.golem.de/news/an-die-polizei-telegram-bittet-nut...

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by perakojotgenije »

izzytcp wrote: post #3

Hi, German here. How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’s clearly not seriously privacy fucused.

Because it works flawlessly on all three major operating systems (windows, linux, macos), unlike Signal who can not make a decent linux port.

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by onli »

izzytcp wrote: post #3

Hi, German here. How about not storing any information at all? Nothing to give, problem solved. Just like Signal. I seriously don’t understand why people use Telegram instead of Signal. Any reason! The app doesn’t solve any privacy problem, default chats are unencrypted, keeps personal info. App should be dead already or turned into a dating app because it’s clearly not seriously privacy fucused.

You can install Telegram with f-droid, and it works well on a degoogled phone. Signal forbids alternate clients and is not on f-droid. It's thus just not an option.

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by londons_explore »

detaro wrote: post #31
londons_explore wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were in telegrams position, I would move this power to 'moderators' rather like Reddit. Then tell the government that if they want to use a court order to remove content, they need to request that the independent moderators of the channel do it.

Why would any court or government care about Telegram/Reddit saying that?

Well they would redesign systems so that they don't have any visibility into message or channel contents, and if they are notified of a channel with bad content, they would just say 'contact the moderator of the channel'.

Rather like ISP's today aren't responsible for the web pages they deliver - the HTTPS encryption means they couldn't scan or block them even if they wanted to.

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by madmoose »

croes wrote: post #32
wellthisisgreat wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you lose all your chat history without any way to export it. I unfortunately have convinced some of my relatives to use Signal without me looking into it beforehand. Now because of Signal’s moronic design I dread the day when something happens and I decide I want to save all our chats for posterity / memories, but wouldn’t be able to. There is simply no “export” button. There is some way to do it on Android b…

https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007059752-Ba...

> Signal Desktop does not support transferring message history to or from any device.

> Migration Assistant and Time Machine for macOS are not supported.

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by wruza »

croes wrote: post #17
endless1234 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Is discord, reddit, hacker news e2ee? No, but they are still products people want to use.

Do you use discord, reddit, hacker news for private communication? BTW reddit and Hackernews are E2EE, it's just that one E is public.

What is your HN key fingerprint? I’d like to compare it to know if our messaging is secure.

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by dymk »

izzytcp wrote: post #8
neverrroot wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Channels, Groups, it’s overall way better. But true, per default not as secure. Supports secure chats, that are secure.

Are channels and groups e2ee?

You already know the answer to that.

Re: Telegram is asking German users when to share information with law enforcement

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Post by mlatu »

dgellow wrote: post #21

Can others confirm? I’m a Telegram user, located in Germany, with a German phone number and didn’t receive such a message.

maybe burried by the messages directly after that one? at least for me after the poll there are two messages about animated emoji
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