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AMD Details Ryzen 7000 Launch: Ryzen 7950X and More, Coming Sept. 27th

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Re: AMD Details Ryzen 7000 Launch: Ryzen 7950X and More, Coming Sept. 27th

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Post by ngcc_hk »

Dalewyn wrote: post #37
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #33

So the big questions on this and Intel next-gen process releases: 1) so it is just the process that gives the Apple ARM laptops their superior battery life? 2) if so (I doubt it will be), when will there be as good a performing laptop example in x86? 3) if not (as I suspect)... what is the actual response to the M1 gauntlet by Intel/AMD? THeir own ARM chips? If Wintel tries to go ARM, it is the last opportunity for L…

Microsoft tried everything they could imagine to try and kill off Win32 and force everything and everyone onto Microsoft Store with locked down MetroModernUIImmersiveUWP software. They all failed because the entire reason for Windows's existence is users can install and use practically anything anywhere anytime. So no, Microsoft is not open. They do not want Win32 and its open nature. Microsoft is salivating at the k…

Sometimes market is wondering. Imagine anyone said freedom to choose is what Microsoft is. In a sense it was (as it basically copied Apple II open hardware and against macintosh closed system). In a sense it is not (it tried closed on the software part somehow and even get anti-trust on browser). Even then the “embrace, extend and extinguish” is well known. But now. It seems it is that major game. That is crazy. Can linux …

Re: AMD Details Ryzen 7000 Launch: Ryzen 7950X and More, Coming Sept. 27th

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Post by Already__Taken »

Tepix wrote: post #49
scrlk wrote: post #12

AMD is giving Intel a bit of breathing space at the lower end of the product stack, the 7600X price/perf isn't that great when you factor in the requirement for DDR5 + new AM5 socket.

The thing i dislike most about the 7600X is it's switch from 65W RDP to 105W RDP, a 61% increase!

it's a bit tone deaf given the energy market

Re: AMD Details Ryzen 7000 Launch: Ryzen 7950X and More, Coming Sept. 27th

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Post by Already__Taken »

alberth wrote: post #34

Any word on official ECC support? (And I don’t just mean it can use the RAM, I mean for it to gain the actual benefits of ECC)

the line they've had for a while is that's entirely up to the motherboard vendor to qualify

Re: AMD Details Ryzen 7000 Launch: Ryzen 7950X and More, Coming Sept. 27th

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Post by hotcoffeebear »

wmf wrote: post #40
cesarb wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally suspect that the true reason for that integrated GPU is the USB4 support. Always having that integrated GPU allows for full USB4 directly on the motherboard without needing hacks like looping a DisplayPort cable from the discrete GPU to the motherboard. And I believe it's possible to render in one GPU but present the output through another GPU, so you could in theory even use a discrete GPU for rendering…

Too bad AMD doesn't seem to be doing well with USB4 so far. And with a "basic" motherboard now priced at $125 I'd rather skip it anyway.

Probably they will come down soon, imho.

Re: AMD Details Ryzen 7000 Launch: Ryzen 7950X and More, Coming Sept. 27th

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Post by trashtester »

Tepix wrote: post #49
scrlk wrote: post #12

AMD is giving Intel a bit of breathing space at the lower end of the product stack, the 7600X price/perf isn't that great when you factor in the requirement for DDR5 + new AM5 socket.

The thing i dislike most about the 7600X is it's switch from 65W RDP to 105W RDP, a 61% increase!

My 3950 has an economy bios mode, bringing it down to 65 watts (for 16 cores). I expect the 7600X (and the others) will have something similar. If you're running linux, you can also override the cpu scaling governor, and either force the frequency down (or up), or you can set it to conservative mode. Conservative mode will preserve energy when the load is low, at an almost unnoticable cost to responsiveness, but still provide close to full power when the cpu is under real load.

Under load, AMD is still going to be a lot more energy efficient than current gen Intel, even without such a setting. And on idle, the TDP is not really relevant.

Re: AMD Details Ryzen 7000 Launch: Ryzen 7950X and More, Coming Sept. 27th

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Post by trashtester »

joshvm wrote: post #43
db48x wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve no doubt that the newer cpu will use more power, but the numbers are made up. They’re picked by the marketing department using a formula, and calling them “watts” to try to make them look like energy used or heat dissipated doesn’t make them real. They don’t correspond to numbers that you can actually measure in any way.

Whether or not what marketing calls it is accurate, Anandtech measure power draw in their reviews and (at least in this example) it's pretty well aligned with the advertised TDP/PPT: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15043/the-amd-ryzen-9-3950x-r...

The 105W for the 3950X doesn't include package power. Add that, and it's closer to 150W (at least for me). This is before enabling PBO.

Re: AMD Details Ryzen 7000 Launch: Ryzen 7950X and More, Coming Sept. 27th

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Post by squarefoot »

kcb wrote: post #6

Love that these include a basic igpu. Makes them much more viable for home server and low end desktops(when eventually discounted).

I hope they also make more advanced models with regular GPUs. I have a 4300GE which runs fine non trivial games from just a few years ago (Far Cry 5, Prey 2017, etc) under Linux+WINE, and its quite low 35W TDP makes it a really nice CPU for home/office use with occasional non high end gaming.

Re: AMD Details Ryzen 7000 Launch: Ryzen 7950X and More, Coming Sept. 27th

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Post by jiggawatts »

19870213 wrote: post #48
cjbprime wrote: post #26

From leaks so far, seems likely Intel's Raptor Lake CPUs like 13900k will be faster/cheaper, more details next month.

I'm sure Intel will make sure they will be cheaper. Even if they have to run at a loss in the short run. :)

This is the benefit of real competition.

Re: AMD Details Ryzen 7000 Launch: Ryzen 7950X and More, Coming Sept. 27th

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Post by neogodless »

Tepix wrote: post #49
scrlk wrote: post #12

AMD is giving Intel a bit of breathing space at the lower end of the product stack, the 7600X price/perf isn't that great when you factor in the requirement for DDR5 + new AM5 socket.

The thing i dislike most about the 7600X is it's switch from 65W RDP to 105W RDP, a 61% increase!

Currently have a 105W 5900X. Opening Visual Studio 2022 saw power consumption as high as about 68W for a blink of a second, but compiling a small web project only drove it to 30W. With my off the shelf Corsair AIO water cooling, it's usually around 35° C. For what it's worth!

In powershell, running some python / dbt uses even less power, mostly dipping below 20W. Really takes a lot to make it work hard. I imagine some Cinebench would get it going!

Re: AMD Details Ryzen 7000 Launch: Ryzen 7950X and More, Coming Sept. 27th

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Post by russelg »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #42
neogodless wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To clarify, this is a new platform, but they have committed to maintaining the AM5 socket (and supporting platform) through at least some future advancements, as they did with AM4 from Zen, Zen+, Zen 2 and Zen 3.

I think they only committed to 3 years of support, so not as good as AM4's 6(?) years

They never committed to that much support for AM4 either, so I think that's a good sign.
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