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Where are you located where it's 32F in May, lol
Reaching freezing in early May is not at all uncommon in most of New England, for starters. I imagine it's also not completely rare in the upper Midwest.
Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?
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Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?
#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thread is about having terrible support from Apple, and the comment you replied to was about getting away from lock-in, but you reply that the more efficient Apple Silicon is a "game-changer." It doesn't change any of the above deal breakers, so your comment comes off as tone deaf.
> the comment you replied to was about getting away from lock-in The comment was about them giving up on Apple because "I can't see the value in it anymore", and he pointed out how the value proposition changed with the non-intel macs Exactly which deal breakers do you mean? it literally says "otherwise my experience with them has been satisfactory" ?
OP seems to have a poor experience with them and is switching for that reason.
Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?
#403Earlier quoted context omitted.
The M1/M2 Macbooks are a total game-changer. You made your switch in the Intel era. I certainly get that because it was the dark days of the pointless Touch Bar and the awful butterfly keyboard. But now an M2 Macbook Air for $1500-2000 (depending on options) is hard to beat. The only complaint seems to be in heat distribution. Some people use a cheap heat spreader on their desk. Apple definitely chose a stylish packa…
I think the downvotes are coming from calling it a “game changer”. How has the game actually has changed? What does the new AS MacBook enable that the other ones don’t, or other laptops don’t for that matter? We live in an age of fast performance and great battery life on most any laptop. Having faster performance and better battery life isn’t changing the game —- that’s how the game has been played as long as laptop…
Before there were many tradeoffs for choosing a macbook, most of them around performance/cost, but all of those are gone when the base $999 macbook air beats way more expensive computers.
I'd recommend this machines to literally everyone that needs a laptop, which is something I can't say for the rest of Apple products or any other piece of tech for that matter
Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?
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Thinkpad X is for marketing types. Programmers want Thinkpad T or P.
I don't understand this comment. I'm a programmer and my X1 Carbon is the finest computer I've ever used. I don't have any noise issue with it. I can hear the CPU in a very quiet room but I've never used a computer that didn't have it, and I'm quite sensitive to noises too. Many people in my company have Lenovo X machines. And why marketing types should not care about comfort / noise? Is this a "Real men [...]" thing…
Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?
#405Please excuse the long-winded answer... I have also given up on Apple, but mostly because I can't see the value in it anymore, otherwise my experience with them has been satisfactory (Intel CPU models). For the past few years I used a Microsoft Surface Pro because it seemed to have good build quality and high screen resolution, but despite this I have had to replace it as part of a recall due to a graphics hardware i…
The M1/M2 Macbooks are a total game-changer. You made your switch in the Intel era. I certainly get that because it was the dark days of the pointless Touch Bar and the awful butterfly keyboard. But now an M2 Macbook Air for $1500-2000 (depending on options) is hard to beat. The only complaint seems to be in heat distribution. Some people use a cheap heat spreader on their desk. Apple definitely chose a stylish packa…
The Apple experience is more polished for sure, but after Linux, I doubt I will accept any form of proprietary OS/hardware for my personal computer ever again.
Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?
#406Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?
#407Please excuse the long-winded answer... I have also given up on Apple, but mostly because I can't see the value in it anymore, otherwise my experience with them has been satisfactory (Intel CPU models). For the past few years I used a Microsoft Surface Pro because it seemed to have good build quality and high screen resolution, but despite this I have had to replace it as part of a recall due to a graphics hardware i…
> For 2022 I decided to buy a "gaming" laptop and switch to 100% Linux. I researched this option before opting for an LG gram. I might research it again soon. Would you care to share exactly what gaming laptop you picked?
Ultimately the deciding factor was the price and the GeForce RTX 3070 GPU, it was on sale, and Linux drivers were available for all of the hardware.
I'm running Pop! OS and haven't had any issues.
Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?
#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
The M1/M2 Macbooks are a total game-changer. You made your switch in the Intel era. I certainly get that because it was the dark days of the pointless Touch Bar and the awful butterfly keyboard. But now an M2 Macbook Air for $1500-2000 (depending on options) is hard to beat. The only complaint seems to be in heat distribution. Some people use a cheap heat spreader on their desk. Apple definitely chose a stylish packa…
I think the downvotes are coming from calling it a “game changer”. How has the game actually has changed? What does the new AS MacBook enable that the other ones don’t, or other laptops don’t for that matter? We live in an age of fast performance and great battery life on most any laptop. Having faster performance and better battery life isn’t changing the game —- that’s how the game has been played as long as laptop…
Battery life for one [1]. Many compare the Dell XPS 13/15 to the MBA/MBP and the XPS has realistically less than half the battery life [2] (the 5.5-7 hours being listed as "feasible" there also requires turning down the display brightness a lot).
The 2011 Macbook Air was heads and shoulders above anything else at the time for that combination of size, cost, power and battery life. Literally nothing else could compete on all of these factors. I mean Linus Torvalds used one [3] (and still does [4]).
On a pure hardware front, the M1/M2 Macbooks are at a similar point where nothing else can compete with that combination of price, power, battery life and form factor, to the point where people will run Linux or Windows on them. You can say it's not for you. You can also say you don't like OSX. That's all fine.
But anti-tribalism is just another form of tribalism. Being irrationally anti-Mac is no better than being irrationally pro-Mac. I'd argue it's worse because the anti-Mac tribalists think they're better than the pro-Mac tribalists.
[1]: https://www.laptopmag.com/news/macbook-air-m2-battery-life-s...
[2]: https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/laptops/dell-xps-13-...
[3]: https://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvald...
[4]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/linus-torvalds-uses-...
Re: Ask HN: Is there a developer laptop that does not suck and is not a Mac in 2022?
#409I love my Lenovo ThinkPad. For a laptop, the keyboard is amazing and I have been using it for 4 years now without any major issue. I did have the CPU fan die on me, but with Lenovo's practically 10/10 repairability score for 40 bucks I overnighted another CPU fan, just unscrewed the back and replaced it myself.
I’ve done quite a bit of developing and field-debugging with it. Haven’t had any complaints, beyond the unavoidable “My neck hurts.” and “Why is Windows choosing now to prompt me to use OneDrive, scan for viruses, update its search index, and install some mystery .NET runtime updates!? I only have 30% battery left!!”