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Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Post by pessimizer »

angio wrote: post #159
suggestion wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part is a conspiracy theory?

That the content is promoted to create disorder. Facebook has similar issues (they're even being sued for contributing to genocide) but they were never accused of the same thing (but mostly of negligence).

This thing started with Facebook being accused of being the conduit for the stealing of the 2016 election through 100K worth of ads featuring Bernie shirtless. It's hard to remember because they got utterly bored with it eventually, and they have relatives that they brag work at Facebook.

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 »

xtracto wrote: post #46
bilsbie wrote: post #21

I’ve been using TikTok for search lately and it kind of works. Web is at a point where it’s faster to watch a video than open a search result. Click a cookie warning, figure out how to disable my ad blocker, and hope I’m not on an SEO page.

The current state of text-based Web is unusable. It's mostly SEO text walls with fill up content for SEO. Most of the content is in Youtube videos, which also have it's own filler blabber but at least you find answers. It's terrible how the "strategic decisions" of one company (Google/Youtube) have marked the flow/form of information in the web. Even "for pay" content providers (mostly news sites) now shove video whe…

>Even "for pay" content providers (mostly news sites) now shove video when you enter into their websites.

My understanding was that this was mostly a response to a decision by Facebook to boost their algorithmic ranking of articles that feature video. So maybe "two companies" :)

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Post by owisd »

joshe wrote: post #130

Here's a list of social panics that turned out to be nothing: Kids being poisoned by halloween candy (no child was ever poisoned by a stranger on Halloween) Kids being latchkey kids Violent video games Jazz Hip hop Rap Heavy Metal Satanists meeting up to cut up animals Marijuana Dungeons and dragons (really https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-1980s-media-panic-over-dungeons-dragons) People gassing Euro trains a…

The difference with all of those things is it was parents "social panicking" about something they had no experience of, whereas parents are also on social media experiencing the negative effects for themselves.

If you want to look at past analogous campaigns, tobacco lobby arguments fit better: All the cool kids are doing it, so if you don't do it you're uncool, correlation between lung cancer/depression doesn't equal causation, the science can't prove anything, maybe people who are predisposed to lung cancer/depression are more likely to smoke/spend all day doomscrolling.

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Post by pessimizer »

UIUC_06 wrote: post #143
pessimizer wrote: post #85

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I find this argument unintelligible, if not intentionally deceptive. We don't ban tobacco because it is bad, we ban it because it is addictive and causes COPD and cancer. We don't ban bad grammar. The argument that TikTok is no worse than other social media is not a counterpoint, and has absolutely no relation to any rational argument about whether TikTok should be banned. It's a statement intended to raise a simple,…

You want to ban all social media for children under 16/18? Fine with me. There'll be fewer children walking into you on the sidewalk because they're staring at their phones.

It's not my issue. But if TikTok is your issue, I'm not sure why you're not pushing for that.

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Post by UIUC_06 »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #153
UIUC_06 wrote: post #146

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So now we're discussing implementation? Does that mean we've moved on from "this is a good idea"?

No one is walking down your path of false logic other than your own baseless assumptions.

Typical response from a sketchy party:

"Their document is full of misinformation!"

without actually naming any.

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Post by anonporridge »

Eupraxias wrote: post #158
anonporridge wrote: post #137

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I doubt they merely turn a blind eye. China's mass production and export of fentanyl strikes me as a literal modern Opium War.

Is it really possible for anyone to doubt that it is anything but this?

Sure. Lots of people will refuse to even entertain the thought, because if true, it means that we're already at war and our people are being killed, and most western people are too mentally weak to take on the burden of accepting that bitter reality.

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Post by pessimizer »

joshe wrote: post #130

Here's a list of social panics that turned out to be nothing: Kids being poisoned by halloween candy (no child was ever poisoned by a stranger on Halloween) Kids being latchkey kids Violent video games Jazz Hip hop Rap Heavy Metal Satanists meeting up to cut up animals Marijuana Dungeons and dragons (really https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-1980s-media-panic-over-dungeons-dragons) People gassing Euro trains a…

  The Yellow Peril

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Post by pessimizer »

philliphaydon wrote: post #156
pessimizer wrote: post #139

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> TikTok appears to be the optimum in social media platform evolution for the foreseeable future. Could have been Vine, but we allow leaders in an industry to buy out insurgent, innovative competition and shut them down. > Furthermore, all US-based social media is blocked in China, and there's an argument for reciprocity. Reciprocity would be walling off sections of our social networks that could be bound to Chinese…

> We get a special TikTok that isn't bound by Chinese censorship Content negative to China gets removed all the time while content negative to the US stays up. So I would assume there is still censorship.

I don't know anything about what's on Facebook for the past 10 years other that what people tell me. But if it's like everywhere else, it's utterly drenched in anti-China invective that periodically gets deleted if it crosses into open racism and wasn't said by Marsha Blackburn.

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Post by justapassenger »

anonporridge wrote: post #111
justapassenger wrote: post #93

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Facebook, IG, Snapchat and other old social apps already had their fair share of dirt thrown at them. TikTok didn’t, and lots of people think that they are just a cool app for teenagers to record their dancing. So it’s more about telling people who already know that alcohol is bad, that White Claw is also bad.

Not really. TikTok has had tons of bad press from day one, even if it was just the sense of ick that it's just for kids and skeevy people watching young people dancing. And there's been criticism for years that it's a covert tool China is using to manipulate our youths. We need to think of the children!

Was CEO of TikTok grilled by congress, used as an excuse by most major politicians on both sides for their failures, and blocked from acquiring any companies moving forward?

Re: TikTok is manipulative, addictive, and harmful to privacy

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Post by justapassenger »

pessimizer wrote: post #128
justapassenger wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook, IG, Snapchat and other old social apps already had their fair share of dirt thrown at them. TikTok didn’t, and lots of people think that they are just a cool app for teenagers to record their dancing. So it’s more about telling people who already know that alcohol is bad, that White Claw is also bad.

> TikTok didn’t, and lots of people think that they are just a cool app for teenagers to record their dancing. TikTok was literally attacked by US Presidents of opposing parties in two subsequent terms, and has been credibly threatened with total bans. So it's more like telling people China bad.

And Facebook wasn’t attacked? Had CEO grilled by congress? Had government basically block any acquisitions moving forward?

Let’s not pretend that all other social medias are loved.

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