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At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt

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Your bank app doesn't have shortcuts to pay fines and taxes?

Is that a thing… anywhere?

You can pay many Japanese taxes through PayPay, LINEPay and several other apps.

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I've come to expect this. Hopefully the larger message with the student loan debt forgiveness isn't that they are forgiving 10k in student debt, or even that the people complaining about it had millions in PPP loans forgiven... but instead that they forgave near a trillion in PPP loans, some wealthy individuals having several million forgiven, but the most they can afford for low-income students is 10k. Leave it to A…

I am against student loan forgiveness and am not rich or in any position of power. I am against the government spending tax money to benefit a subset of the country.

The idea behind student loan forgiveness isn't that they only benefit a subset of the country, but that better education benefits the entire country.

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I haven't committed any violent crimes nor have most people. A substantial number of prisoners have. In fact countless murderous and rapist criminals go free.

Countless murderous(sic)...go free. Of course that's just your opinion, with no link to back it up. I tend to follow the information where I see police abuse, the abuse of rights by the courts/prosecutors, etc etc. You want to blow your mind? Follow a guy named Greg Doucette on the bird app. He routinely lists the violations of civil rights by authorities. It might open your mind.

Well with murders there are bodies. It’s the easiest crime to see the gap between incarceration and the injustice of freely roaming murderers. Much harder to convict on rape so you can imagine how many more are out there free!

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25% of the world's prison population is in the US, a country that makes up 4.25% of the world's population Land of the free

I wonder what percentage are in jail for gun-related crimes. The easy availability of guns is one thing that distinguishes America from other advanced economies. Edit: I found a variety of sources that suggest 18% of state and 15% of federal prisoners. Nowhere near as high as I was expecting.

That's still quite high. But the real thing that contributes to the US' crazy high incarceration rates is we tend to have much longer sentences than other countries

The US doesn't actually have that much higher crime rates than other countries otherwise though

Another issue, like this article points out, is that once you're in even if you get out your life is pretty much ruined and you're much more likely to go back in

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Your bank app doesn't have shortcuts to pay fines and taxes?

Is that a thing… anywhere?

Yes, also police has NFC-enabled terminals, so you can deal with it on the spot. Poland.

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Years ago, I got a speeding ticket. I worked nights at the time, and the office to make the payment at had very strange hours because it was from a tiny town. My schedule made it difficult to make it over to the office during open hours, and one of the times I tried it was closed randomly over lunch because again, small town. (I learned later there was only one person who ran the whole office.) A day after my speedin…

You cannot pay your tickets by wiring the money?

I really value being in country where default payment method in almost any situation is simple bank transfer.

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It depends on answers to questions like “are these groups actually committing a disproportionate amount of the crime?” And I wouldn’t rush to the notion that you need to be justified in using hyperbolic/metaphorical language before you can criticize the problem.

Why would black or indigenous people as a group commit more crimes?

Socioeconomic factors are the most obvious. The second is the (currently) taboo cultural issue of fatherhood and stable families in these communities. I won’t speculate any more, but I recommend Glenn Loury’s discussions on this topic:

[1] https://youtu.be/LC4Qxq0KMBc

[2] https://youtu.be/lOKiKZeYZbU

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In Norway you earn money in prison, and we still have lower percentage of people in prison.

It's almost like burdening people who have been to prison with immense debt makes them *more* likely to end up back in prison; allowing them work, learn and improve skills, and save up some money for getting back on their feet makes them *less* likely to end up back in prison. Who would've thought?! It almost seems like someone wants people in prison, as if someone is profiting off of it or something. Hmmmm....

Makes one question does the system even want to keep these people out. Or give them chances to not reoffend. Each time it sounds like there is zero intent to have them reintegrate in society. Even if so many programs and other things are run. But the basics are not covered...

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Plenty of countries, especially in Asia, but also the UAE and possibly others, have successfully stopped nearly all drug use and trade with heavy-handed policies. You may not like what it took to get done, but it did work. I'm not advocating for the heavy-handed approach, but it's intellectually dishonest to say that it can't work. Also, the other countries have done it with a much smaller imprisonment per capita.

Just to be clear, “heavy-handed policies” include the death penalty for trafficking in (at the very least) Singapore and the UAE. It would be intellectually dishonest to not name these things by name. This argument veers a little bit into “sure it’s harsh but their trains do run on time” territory, at least for me. What authoritarian countries are able to achieve at the cost of human rights would preferably not serve…

Is it only me reading it as that trafficking is one of the human rights which needs to be protected?

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> where only the able and 9-5 crowd can easily access it I'm not sure it's conveinient for that crowd either. It's always puzzled me how you were expected to make it to government offices open roughly 9-5 while most people work those same hours.

I always assumed lunch time or day off to be used. But your right, it does seem very silly (and affects people living paycheck to paycheck the most)

I thought of lunch too, but the lines are pretty long at most of these places (in MI I could make appointments, which still require waiting a significant amount of time).
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