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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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I thought the FBI had the laptop. How are all these other people claiming to have copies of the hard drive?

The easiest thing to get traction would just to release it anonymously but it never happened. There was that tiny 4chan leak but it basically was nothingburger.

I remember hearing a story recently that a representative from Florida entered a copy of the hard drive into the Congressional Record.

What does that actually mean? Is it now available for anyone to request a copy?

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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> Not really, in the justice system you are put on trial on social media first and everyone believes what they want to believe rather than the decision of a court. That's far better than the media censoring stories upon the suggestion of the secret police. > You're stating that fact validation should have the same level of scrutiny as a criminal trial except instantly? Not really, I'm pointing out that Zuckerberg's c…

A list of random points on the matter: 1) the FBI are nothing like the secret police 2) I can understand an over correction this time is likely because they affected the result in 2016. 3) Facebook makes thousands of these judgements per day mostly automated otherwise their platforms would be cesspits 4) your idea that this is politically motivated is not proven, it’s a conspiracy theory and one I don’t even know how…

> 4) your idea that this is politically motivated is not proven, it’s a conspiracy theory and one I don’t even know how you’d prove it

Of course it is difficult without the power to compel discovery and depositions. I think the circumstantial evidence is quite strong, though.

For some reason, the term "conspiracy theory" is never applied to things which are clear conspiracy theories like the claims about Russian Collusion, or the claims that Hunter Biden story being Russian disinformation.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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A list of random points on the matter: 1) the FBI are nothing like the secret police 2) I can understand an over correction this time is likely because they affected the result in 2016. 3) Facebook makes thousands of these judgements per day mostly automated otherwise their platforms would be cesspits 4) your idea that this is politically motivated is not proven, it’s a conspiracy theory and one I don’t even know how…

> 4) your idea that this is politically motivated is not proven, it’s a conspiracy theory and one I don’t even know how you’d prove it Of course it is difficult without the power to compel discovery and depositions. I think the circumstantial evidence is quite strong, though. For some reason, the term "conspiracy theory" is never applied to things which are clear conspiracy theories like the claims about Russian Coll…

> I think the circumstantial evidence is quite strong, though.

It's quite mysterious to me why anyone would believe the FBI, an organization that has never been directed by a Democrat in its entire existence, would be politically motivated to tilt the scales toward Democrats. It just doesn't pass the laugh test.

> For some reason, the term "conspiracy theory" is never applied to things which are clear conspiracy theories like the claims about Russian Collusion

The thing about a conspiracy theory is that when it is investigated, and the theory pans out, then it transitions into simply a conspiracy. The claims of Russian Collusion were investigated by Robert Mueller and the Republican-chaired Senate Select Intel Committee, and they found that:

1) Trump's campaign manager met with a Russian spy along with Don Jr. and Jared Kushner at Trump's residence. They discussed an exchange of dirt on Clinton for relaxed Russian relations -- which both materialized. When this meeting was discovered they tried to cover it up, and lied about what they talked about.

2) Trump's campaign manager exchanged internal campaign data with a Russian GRU officer, which helped them target US voters in their psyops campaign.

3) The Russian GRU was responsive to Trump's public invitation to hack Hillary Clinton, and the GRU did hack the DNC. Trump loudly trumpeted those hacked materials during the campaign. Roger Stone, through a backchannel to Assange, had advance notice of the hacked materials and lied about his knowledge to Congress and the FBI, for which he was prosecuted, convicted, and later pardoned by Trump.

4) Trump himself claimed neither he nor his campaign had any contacts with Russians, and no business in Russia whatsoever. In fact, the investigation revealed that during the campaign, Trump was working on a Trump Tower Moscow deal with a penthouse dedicated to Vladimir Putin.

5) In fact, Trump's campaign had hundreds of contacts with Russians and lied about them all, including Jeff Session the attorney general who lied under oath to Congress about his contacts.

6) And finally, Trump obstructed the investigation, and lied about obstructing it. Then his hand-picked attorney general Bill Barr put his finger on the scale in the decision to indict Trump based on that obstruction. Barr subsequently lied about doing so to the public and in court filings. The evidence proving that element was unsealed just last week.

But you don't have to take my word for it. You can read the Mueller Report, Senate Intel Report, the Roger Stone court documents, and the recently released OLC memo. I don't know what you want to call the Trump Campaign working directly with a Russian GRU officer, but that sounds a lot like collusion to me.

As far as the whole thing being a "hoax", the Durham investigation has turned up next to nothing aside from an acquittal, and has gone on longer than the Mueller investigation at this point. It's sad to me so many are clinging onto the "witch hunt" and "hoax" line at this point. In fact, we were right all along, just as we were right about Trump being a aspiring despot who was willing to hang onto power at any cost.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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> Do you see me as one of "the crowd obsessed with Hunter's laptop"? Unfortunately, yes. > What would capitulation look like to you? To acknowledge the good/bad of each player based upon a reasonable understanding of their behavior. > (re hate/spite): Not sure what you mean by that. How many? How do you know? * I mean that people will act on emotion rather than rationale in a significant number of cases, and that hat…

Where I am it's getting quite late, so I'll continue this a bit tomorrow. >> Do you see me as one of "the crowd obsessed with Hunter's laptop"? > Unfortunately, yes. Confused about that. I haven't discussed it at all. > That's a silly question. If we're going to have a conversation, that kind of thing is right out. Deal? You still haven't really answered the question I've been asking repeatedly. A little bit, but not…

First and foremost, I appreciate the civil dialog and will do my best to maintain it; I'm doing this because of a desperate desire to find some commonality, not to score points.

>> That's a silly question.

You asked for numbers of a population that has no census, I stated that it was significant, which is the point in question. I can prove that those people exist and then it's a matter of threshold. E.g, "how many atoms in that falling piano" -- "enough to kill you if it hits you".

> You still haven't really answered the question I've been asking repeatedly

I don't follow, will review the thread(s) again to see what that is (would have helped to reiterate btw). The irony is that I'm feeling the same way (do you care about the corruption of the Trump administration as well?)

Let's return when time allows? My intentions are honorable and maybe something positive could come of it.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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post #585

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USA is the leading country of the free world (by having the heaviest cultural, economic and technological impact), so by transitive property Joe Biden, being the leader of that country, is also the leader of the free world.

I think he is saying he believes Trump is still president.

I don't believe Trump is still President.

I don't believe Trump is the leader of the free world. But I do believe, "Trump is the leader of the free world", while completely false and wildly inaccurate, is closer to the truth than "Joe Biden is the leader of the free world".

I don't particularly believe that people in the US, or internationally, want a free world. I think for the most part they want to be free to tell me what do to. Which is not going to happen.

But no, Trump is not, currently, President.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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It’s definitely unsavory, but absolutely nothing compared to the conflicts of interest under Trump, ironically even in Ukraine. Remember the withheld US money used to blackmail for political dirt?

Whataboutism

Calling it the "mother of all conflicts of interest" is inviting a direct comparison to other conflicts of interest, unless words have no meaning. I'm suggesting they do, and what OP said was absurd given the surrounding context, which I brought up.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Rest assured that next time I'm arrested for trespassing I won't be calling you for legal advice.

Good because I'm not a lawyer, but what I said is still true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama

Lol, fair enough.

Now we just need to convince folks that Facebook is a town, not say... a digital publication. Then it can be nationalized as was originally suggested. Although maybe the government should try using eminent domain before outright nationalization?

Still, the whole idea seems like a stretch and a crazy one at that.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Whataboutism

It is literally the same story with drastically different results for the participants given their relative actions. The abuse of whataboutism has rendered it nonsense.

Abusing power to get re-elected is not the same as abusing power to advantage one's son in their career.

Again, both unsavory.

"literally the same story"?

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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post #585

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USA is the leading country of the free world (by having the heaviest cultural, economic and technological impact), so by transitive property Joe Biden, being the leader of that country, is also the leader of the free world.

I think he is saying he believes Trump is still president.

That’s an uncharitable interpretation to make without other supporting evidence.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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It is literally the same story with drastically different results for the participants given their relative actions. The abuse of whataboutism has rendered it nonsense.

Abusing power to get re-elected is not the same as abusing power to advantage one's son in their career. Again, both unsavory. "literally the same story"?

Pressuring a foreign leader to investigate potential corruption is not the same as pressuring a foreign leader to fire a prosecutor who is investigating corruption of which your family is directly involved.
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