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Post by desindol »

psyc wrote: post #502
desindol wrote: post #291

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No they didn’t are you all in some kind of reality distortion field? At least read the article.

Not all of us, no. Or rather, yes and no. I could as soon say to you, "At least go to Google News, search 'hunter laptop', scroll, read, and then think, if you can still manage it." 95% of you will just say "Well, this one isn't credible" or "That one is a right wing conspiracy theory." Or at least the ones emboldened to type replies will. So don't ask me to throw myself to you hyenas by linking specific sources. Goo…

Do YoUr OwN rEsEaRcH and speculations. Got it.

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Post by DoctorOW »

unloco wrote: post #592

This headline is clickbait. Zuck said the FBI warned him of potential Russian propaganda during the election. Then, Zuck and his crew slowed down the spread until it was validated. This entire discussion here is based on a false narrative, it goes off into rants of political discourse that were not true in regards to this story. The only reason it was censored is because it fit a profile of what was expected to come.…

and "censored" isn't wrong but potentially misleading imo. Both because verified factual information, including about this topic can be shared and also because nobody actually was prevented from hearing about the laptop story. It was everywhere.

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Post by pstuart »

rendall wrote: post #589
pstuart wrote: post #556

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That sounds lovely but theory and practice vary in their overlap. One point I'll counter you on is that a significant portion of the population is literally below average intelligence and that hate and spite are strong motivators for many. I've yet to see any capitulations by the crowd obsessed with Hunter's laptop but I'm willing to try to zero in on that with you to see if your words match your actions.

> One point I'll counter you on is that a significant portion of the population is literally below average intelligence Yes, half, but IQ is only one measure of a person. Compassion, wisdom, grit are others. Someone can be low IQ and yet wise, compassionate, etc. > and that hate and spite are strong motivators for many. Not sure what you mean by that. How many? How do you know? > I've yet to see any capitulations by…

> Do you see me as one of "the crowd obsessed with Hunter's laptop"?

Unfortunately, yes.

> What would capitulation look like to you?

To acknowledge the good/bad of each player based upon a reasonable understanding of their behavior.

> (re hate/spite): Not sure what you mean by that. How many? How do you know?

* I mean that people will act on emotion rather than rationale in a significant number of cases, and that hate can trump love. * How many? That's a silly question. Enough to matter.

> But sure, walk me through.

Ok, first try (true/false):

  a. Do you think Biden/Obama were materially moved by Hunter's participation with Burisma
  b. Do you think that the kerfluffle about Hillary's emails aided in her losing the election?
  c. Do you think that even that the laptop controversy itself hurt the Biden campaign?
  d. Are you aware of the concept of an "October Surprise"?
  e. If so, do you think they are real?
  f. If so, do you think they work?
Essay question: This write-up about the affair aligns with my understandings; do you see any truth in this: https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-make-johnson-grassley-repor...

Bonus points: are you religious?

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Post by random314 »

hef19898 wrote: post #599
random314 wrote: post #541

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Well you are in a very safe place and advising Ukrainians to put their lives at risk instead of negotiating a settlement in accordance with what Zelensky proposed in March and the United states disagreed with. You look even more stupid. And Chomsky absolutely did not ask Ukraine to "roll over". So you are also just making shit up. This topic has already been beaten to death here. https://www.counterpunch.org/wp-conte…

I'm not asking Ukrainians anything, I do respect their decisions so. If they decide to continue with the Selensky government's course of resisting, cool, give them all the support NATO can offer short of going to war with Russia. If want to negotiate for peace, with or without a Selensky government, cool, help during negotiations as much as possible. Resisting invaders is something I support my whole life, including…

More pertinently, it seems you don't have any specific objection to any particular statement by Chomsky.

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Post by naasking »

hotpotamus wrote: post #596
naasking wrote: post #468

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> Like sorry, but Trump proved that the right wing doesn't give one shit if one of their boys does it And Democrats just proved they don't either. So maybe Democrats should take this opportunity to prove they aren't hypocrites instead of acting just like the other side they're criticizing.

Which party claims to be all about individual responsibility and law and order? Perhaps the conservatives’ embrace of post modernist nihilism has consequences beyond themselves?

I could just as easily ask you which party claims to be about justice, fairness and democracy?

Let's not mince words, politicians of all stripes are largely opportunistic and self-serving, and that's what the evidence is suggesting. There is not as much difference between either side on that point.

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Post by mypastself »

meroes wrote: post #587
mypastself wrote: post #377

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When the FBI gives you specific guidelines on what to be vary of, shortly before a news story that fits all their criteria drops, you listen. I doubt it was a taken as a friendly heads-up by Facebook, given the numerous accusations, threats of additional regulations, and congressional grillings in the years prior. When the then-head of the FBI released a particular public statement in 2016, many believed it swayed th…

If that’s all it takes to effect a coup, it’s not a coup. That’s all they are doing is telling. A completely normal and legal part of their whole existence. Not my fault you’ve misunderstood how entities in society function and FB wants to continue to suck. It would be a societal issue, not rogue actors. What you’ve described is completely unalarming to me (even in its exaggerated form). In fact I have no idea how if…

I’m not sure if you’ve accidentally responded to the wrong comment, or completely misread mine. I’m not the original commenter, hence the note on disagreeing with them on “regime change” and the magnitude of FBI’s influence, while still thinking they’ve exercised some degree of that influence over the past two elections.

If you believe that e.g. James Comey’s 2016 October surprise is completely unalarming and “just how society functions”, I think you’ll find that many in society disagree with you.

Also, I’m sorry, but you completely lost me with your second paragraph. I don’t know what you’re referring to with rogue actors and me writing books.

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Post by hef19898 »

random314 wrote: post #605
hef19898 wrote: post #599

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I'm not asking Ukrainians anything, I do respect their decisions so. If they decide to continue with the Selensky government's course of resisting, cool, give them all the support NATO can offer short of going to war with Russia. If want to negotiate for peace, with or without a Selensky government, cool, help during negotiations as much as possible. Resisting invaders is something I support my whole life, including…

More pertinently, it seems you don't have any specific objection to any particular statement by Chomsky.

You want a list of things I disagree with pseudo intelectuals like Chomsky et al?

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Post by rendall »

pstuart wrote: post #604
rendall wrote: post #589

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> One point I'll counter you on is that a significant portion of the population is literally below average intelligence Yes, half, but IQ is only one measure of a person. Compassion, wisdom, grit are others. Someone can be low IQ and yet wise, compassionate, etc. > and that hate and spite are strong motivators for many. Not sure what you mean by that. How many? How do you know? > I've yet to see any capitulations by…

> Do you see me as one of "the crowd obsessed with Hunter's laptop"? Unfortunately, yes. > What would capitulation look like to you? To acknowledge the good/bad of each player based upon a reasonable understanding of their behavior. > (re hate/spite): Not sure what you mean by that. How many? How do you know? * I mean that people will act on emotion rather than rationale in a significant number of cases, and that hat…

Where I am it's getting quite late, so I'll continue this a bit tomorrow.

>> Do you see me as one of "the crowd obsessed with Hunter's laptop"?

> Unfortunately, yes.

Confused about that. I haven't discussed it at all.

> That's a silly question.

If we're going to have a conversation, that kind of thing is right out. Deal?

You still haven't really answered the question I've been asking repeatedly. A little bit, but not to the depth you're asking of me.

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Post by pdonis »

criley2 wrote: post #523
pdonis wrote: post #180

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> The former President was caught red-handed hiding top secret documents at his freakin' vacation home No, he did not "hide" the documents. As a letter quoted in a recent article in Politico [1] shows, the documents were removed from the White House when the administrations changed on Jan. 20, 2021. Which means whoever was responsible for checking documents that were removed from the White House by the outgoing Presi…

Yes he did hide the documents. Read the actual affidavit and the 20 month timeline https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/26/us/trump-sear... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-documen... It was not accident: Trump claims it's his right to keep his records and even publicly displayed some of them for prestige after demands for their return began. Some "accident"! It was not CYA: The National Ar…

> It was not CYA: The National Archives and DoJ spent 20 months exhausting all legal means to force the return of the documents to a safe facility.

You're missing the point: the documents should never have left the White House in the first place. Whoever was supposed to check that screwed up. If they're going to throw the book at Trump for keeping them instead of giving them back, they should also be throwing the book at whoever screwed up by letting them out of the White House in the first place. And the Biden administration should have some explaining to do about that. Is anyone asking them? Hollow laugh.

I have no problem with prosecuting people who violate the law. What I have a problem with is extravagantly one-sided reporting, intended to further polarize the country for political gain. The sooner we the people realize that all politicians are crooks and all government is untrustworthy and all media is corrupt, and stop jumping on bandwagons just because someone says something we like without exercising any critical thinking, the better off we'll be.

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