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Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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Post by trasz »

zionic wrote: post #313
pojzon wrote: post #175

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Ive tried to explain this issue to EVs fanatics, but nobody listens. Anytime you mention energy transmision issues - you get total backlash. We wasted EU money on pointless stuff while we could have upgraded our transit cables etc.

I’m just exhausted from arguing with the electrically illiterate. HVDC makes transmission from state to state trivial at almost no loss. We should have a national HVDC grid so that a breeze in Texas might power a toaster in Connecticut. Instead we have another $XX Billion for Ukraine. Another $13B here for a new carrier we’ll never need etc etc. So much waste everywhere while fundamental problems go unsolved.

If you don’t help Ukraine, the reborn Soviet Union would become a valuable asset to China. You probably don’t want to happen.

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Post by mrshadowgoose »

jotm wrote: post #315
unyttigfjelltol wrote: post #80

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All energy problem reduce to problems of energy transportation. We have a huge fusion reactor in the sky. The challenge is capture and transit. The problem is not incidental; it's fundamental.

As long as people won't even try to install a solar concentrator while bitching about rising prices, I won't take any of them seriously. Such a simple design, can be used for at least heating water for 3-6 months. But nah. Same for which the roofs. You don't have a white/silver roof on your house? Fuck you. On that note, you like cruise ships? Also fuck you.

"A person who doesn't live exactly according to my values. Fuck that person!"

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Post by anticristi »

323 wrote: post #274
Tenoke wrote: post #156

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Should I panic enough in Germany to be wise to consider moving away? Where as a European?

> Looking for a change of scene? > Russia’s “beautiful women, cheap gas, and traditional values” await you, according to a bizarre new video shared by a Russian embassy. > The 53 second clip urges foreigners to “move to Russia” by listing the country’s supposed virtues. https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/08/01/beautiful-women-a...

On a tangent, I read that 500 Russian soldiers die daily. Given that they are 19-22 old, I expect a huge gender disbalance in the coming generation. So yeah, pressure on Russian women to be "beautiful" (whatever that means to the dating market) will increase. Kind of cynical to advertise a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Post by PeterisP »

hericium wrote: post #298

Would be great if prices included transfer or would there be an option to see both. In some states the price of energy can be lower than the price of its transfer.

The transfer between regions isn't expensive compared to these prices, but they are capacity limited.

What is relatively expensive may be the "retail delivery" to small-scale consumers, but that is excluded here as that price is not dependent on these daily fluctuations of generation; this is about the wholesale markets and the high-voltage networks.

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Post by foxhill »

marcinzm wrote: post #347
foxhill wrote: post #319

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it’s a more practical solution for right now though. we can’t expect the world to switch its entire infrastructure overnight, or even quickly. yes, the rich nations might get a head start, but they represent such a small fraction of emissions.

>yes, the rich nations might get a head start, but they represent such a small fraction of emissions. Not really for automotive emissions. The US alone accounts for almost half the world's road CO2 emissions.

and automotive emissions account for ~10% of all CO2 emissions. 20% if you want to include all transport (e.g. sea shipping, planes, etc.)

there’s been a lot of media attention on how individuals need to make an effort to beat climate change, but the reality is that industry is the only sector able to make a meaningful impact.

Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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Post by trasz »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #329
origin_path wrote: post #286

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UK stopped mining coal mostly in the 1980s when Russia was still the Soviet Union. The cause was not Russian gas which isn't a direct substitute for coal anyway and especially not back then, but rather that the NUM destroyed the domestic coal industry, which became totally uncompetitive relative to more or less any foreign producers. It wasn't Russia specifically, it was that UK mining became dysfunctional and unreli…

is it fair to call it disfunctional? Are you expecting to compete on price with countries where workers have no rights, no health and safety and live a dog's life?

Those stereotypes about Australia are mostly unfounded nowadays.

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Post by PeterisP »

legulere wrote: post #189
tuukkah wrote: post #172

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To a house that is not heated by direct electricity (nor by gas), or to one where you have installed some other source of heating such as heat pumps or district heating.

What do you think the heat pump and district heating runs on? Heat pumps still need electricity and district heating is often using gas.

It's not a gas vs no-gas issue - if you need much less gas for the same size house, then you have removed most of the impact on you.

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Post by iso1631 »

atlasunshrugged wrote: post #331
stepbeek wrote: post #318

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> Same for which the roofs. You don't have a white/silver roof on your house? Fuck you. Why?

I think they reflect the sun and keep the house cool without a lot of extra energy for air conditioning.

I don't need air conditioning, the 3 or 4 days a year it gets hot enough that it's a problem I close the blinds on the front and open the window.

I do need heating in the winter though.

Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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Post by marcinzm »

foxhill wrote: post #355
marcinzm wrote: post #347

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>yes, the rich nations might get a head start, but they represent such a small fraction of emissions. Not really for automotive emissions. The US alone accounts for almost half the world's road CO2 emissions.

and automotive emissions account for ~10% of all CO2 emissions. 20% if you want to include all transport (e.g. sea shipping, planes, etc.) there’s been a lot of media attention on how individuals need to make an effort to beat climate change, but the reality is that industry is the only sector able to make a meaningful impact.

This thread is discussing EVs vs gasoline so not sure why you're changing the topic suddenly.

Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

balderdash wrote: post #152
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #28

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I have no clue about Czechia but that’s basically happening in Austria. Austria mainly produces energy from renewables which did not go up in price buy since the price on the exchanges is determined by the most expensive source we still pay exorbitant prices. Producers are making all the money right now.

The marginal cost of production didn’t go up for renewables, but that’s not the price setting mechanism, the Austrian people demanded more electricity than renewables could provide, so the price rose until it was high enough to justify turning on the gas fired plants and where the Czechs and Germans would be willing to sell power to the Austrians… Also the people that are “making all the money” now that power prices…

> the Austrian people demanded more electricity than renewables could provide, so the price rose until it was high enough to justify turning on the gas fired plants and where the Czechs and Germans would be willing to sell power to the Austrians…

That’s not what is happening. If Austria was an isolated market the prices were significantly lower at the moment. But I would not want to separate the markets just because it works out better to us at the moment.

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