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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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I am getting tired of all of these citation free accusations of Chomsky. Its boring to dispute, but whatever. > Noam Chomsky is someone who uncritically supported Soviet Union Citation needed https://ideapod.com/noam-chomsky-on-leninism/ > and support current Russian and its invasion to Ukraine. Citation needed https://truthout.org/articles/chomsky-u-s-is-prioritizing-it... > He supported fucking Khmer Rouge and deni…

Citation needed? Hmm. I'm unsure on the whole style guide, but I suggest this site for a good breakdown on Chomsky's various evasions and surgically crafted half-truths about the Vietnam War and its aftermath:

https://reaction.la/chomsdis.htm

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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As with all academics that gain fame, and then step outside their field of expertise, he started to look a tad stupid. Peterson is another example, as are those German "intelectuals" who also called for a Ukrainian surrender of sorts.

One could say the same about you. Or alternately, you could provide a reference to stupid statements by chomsky. He has been speaking for more than 60 years. People don't become stupid if their world view doesn't match yours.

I said look stupid, even out of context. Like advising Ukraine, from a very safe place in an other country, to just roll over. Even if Ukrainians want to fight back. Sure, it is just an opinion, but one that makes you look stupid and out of touch. And this has nothing to do with world views, just with trying apply expertise in one field into another, unrelated one. More often than not based on publicity and fame than anything else.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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100% this. The former President was caught red-handed hiding top secret documents at his freakin' vacation home, with probable intent to commit espionage against the United States , including disclosure of sensitive human intelligence assets ... And Hacker News has it's knickers in a knot because the FBI warned a social media company that the Hunter Biden story might be a Russian psyops campaign? Seriously people?

> The former President was caught red-handed hiding top secret documents at his freakin' vacation home No, he did not "hide" the documents. As a letter quoted in a recent article in Politico [1] shows, the documents were removed from the White House when the administrations changed on Jan. 20, 2021. Which means whoever was responsible for checking documents that were removed from the White House by the outgoing Presi…

Yes he did hide the documents. Read the actual affidavit and the 20 month timeline

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/26/us/trump-sear...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-documen...

It was not accident: Trump claims it's his right to keep his records and even publicly displayed some of them for prestige after demands for their return began. Some "accident"!

It was not CYA: The National Archives and DoJ spent 20 months exhausting all legal means to force the return of the documents to a safe facility. Trump's people according to the facts had around 16 months of escalating demands to actually do the return. Had they returned the documents during any of the many, many demands spanning multiple escalating agencies, it would have been a "no harm no foul" situation and no one would know.

When they finally returned some of the documents, it became evident that there were many more missing and the matter was referred to the DoJ. The DoJ Investigated, escalated and demanded the return.

And even then, surveillance footage shows documents being removed from the room to an unknown location. Despite there being two remaining groups of missing documents, Trump's lawyers signed a document saying there were no documents left (this is obstruction of justice multiple times -- hiding docs after the subpoena, lying about it, etc).

This is when the situation went from "maybe accident" to "definitely a serious crime". The FBI absolutely knew there were more documents, the former President was openly lying about it in court, AND there was a potential second additional unsecured cache of documents that had seen being removed on surveillance.

This is when we get to the search warrant, the final and last straw in a 20 month long quest to return some of the most highly classified secrets possible. And even now after the seizure they do not have all the documents.

>You have no evidence whatever to back up this claim.

Ironic statement from someone arguing directly against the facts while making up narratives like "it was an accident, it was CYA" which Trump himself openly denies. But that's normal for those who defend Trump to find that he has publicly undercut their narratives.

Seriously, it's all in the doc above.

But if we want to think beyond the actual legal filing, consider this article from the NYT ~9 months after the theft of top secret information that we know was classified in a way to protect the identities of American agents abroad. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informant...

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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So what’s in the laptop that doesn’t truly matter is real, but the information in the laptop that does truly matter is fake? That’s quite a pragmatic approach. For what it’s worth, the NYT and the Feds have acknowledged the laptop and the data on it is quite real. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-...

They have acknowledged that some of the data on it is quite real, and were able to verify many emails. As your link confirms, they also found that folders with names like "Biden Burisma" and "Salacious Pics Package" were added in September 2020...

We don't really need the laptop to connect Joe Biden to Burisma (prosecutor firings). There is video linked elsewhere in this thread of Biden himself telling the story to an audience.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-... FBI has the laptop and only they can tell you. We know it contained real emails. There is enough evidence that I don't know what it would be besides real.

So the FBI has Hunter Biden's laptop and emails? And what? What is the crime exactly? I also have a laptop with emails on it. What is the proposed crime of Hunter Biden and if the FBI has evidence of a crime, why wasn't he charged?

Why wasn't he charged? The FBI has a history of not prosecuting crimes if they think they are going to lose. 40 years ago it was a brag: "We've got a 100% success rate on convictions." James Comey would later call them chickenshit for not prosecuting actual criminals if they thought they would lose. In their mind, it is better to let criminals go free than to break their 100% conviction record.

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I agree with this take. The more important issue is that there is no independent oversight on government secrecy, which is the underlying enabler of all of these "paperwork" claims.

Can you describe what mechanism would exist for “independent” oversight of government secrecy? It’s hard to imagine, say, the US military being audited by an independent authority that is able to look at classified documents like battle plans, or new weapons technologies. > these "paperwork" claims. In other words “I won’t accept anything that contradicts my pre-established belief”. It’s very similar to discussions I…

> It’s hard to imagine, say, the US military being audited by an independent authority that is able to look at classified documents like battle plans, or new weapons technologies.

It's easy to imagine if you restore the Constitutional authority of civilian management of the military (and all other aspects of government). A reasonably responsible US voter should have nothing hidden from them, even military secrets.

>In other words “I won’t accept anything that contradicts my pre-established belief”.

I'm sorry, how many secret military documents have you personally seen?

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Hillary's primary crime was destroying evidence weeks after it had been subpoenaed. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/oct/09/donald-tru... >Clinton’s staff received a subpoena for Benghazi-related emails March 4. An employee managing her server deleted 33,000 of Clinton’s emails three weeks later. The Politifact article then goes on to say the FBI didn't believe they were deleted for the purposes of avoiding…

> the FBI didn't believe they were deleted for the purposes of avoiding the subpoena, which may be true, but that doesn't make it less of a crime. Sorry, what now? The subpoena was for related emails. They claim they deleted unrelated emails and the FBI agrees. It’s not a crime to delete emails unrelated to a subpoena, especially when the subpoena (according to your link) did not request those emails. And doubly so w…

You've been storing a bunch of documents for years. A court subpoenas information from you. You go on a massive file shredding campaign to destroy the documents you'd been happily storing for years. You pinky promise the court that the documents you destroyed were not subject to the subpoena. Do you believe this defense would work for you?

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Rogan kept putting words in his mouth. He kept insinuating that Facebook and the FBI talked specifically about the Hunter Biden laptop story, when Zuckerberg did not say that at all. Zuckerberg said the FBI warned them to be on high alert for propaganda. Facebook's judgment after that conversation was that the Hunter Biden laptop story fit that profile. As for the story itself, I don't know all of the ins or outs, bu…

> I don't know all of the ins or outs, but my understanding is that it doesn't amount to anything, and certainly nothing in comparison to the entanglements of the Trump family. This is a pretty astounding sentence, but I would let it go, except that I see this all the time. It reads like a dismissal of the importance of the story because there is nothing that matches the unique danger of "the Trump family". Is that f…

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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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I am getting tired of all of these citation free accusations of Chomsky. Its boring to dispute, but whatever. > Noam Chomsky is someone who uncritically supported Soviet Union Citation needed https://ideapod.com/noam-chomsky-on-leninism/ > and support current Russian and its invasion to Ukraine. Citation needed https://truthout.org/articles/chomsky-u-s-is-prioritizing-it... > He supported fucking Khmer Rouge and deni…

Citation needed? Hmm. I'm unsure on the whole style guide, but I suggest this site for a good breakdown on Chomsky's various evasions and surgically crafted half-truths about the Vietnam War and its aftermath: https://reaction.la/chomsdis.htm

Also from the same site, he refers to Chomsky's deceptions about what his past beliefs actually were:

https://reaction.la/ChomskyLiesCites/ChomskyLiesAboutHisPast...

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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So let me get this straight. Facebook has absolute control to limit the spread of a story or news on their platform. Facebook has absolute control to outright block specific content based on an algorithm they control. Facebook can and will editorialize content posted on their platform. Facebook has absolute control over the content that users see. Can someone, anyone, please explain to me why Facebook is not a publis…

Even worse, the FBI is going around and silencing valid, independent reporting.
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