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Post by notahacker »

kcplate wrote: post #496
notahacker wrote: post #285

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They have acknowledged that some of the data on it is quite real, and were able to verify many emails. As your link confirms, they also found that folders with names like "Biden Burisma" and "Salacious Pics Package" were added in September 2020...

There is nothing I can see in that NYT article that mentions those folder names and consequently that they were added in September 2020

My bad, it was the WP that did the verification and pointed out both the verifiability of the emails and obvious evidence of planted content https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-...

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Post by psyc »

desindol wrote: post #291
psyc wrote: post #212

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The story is that the FBI knowing lied to Facebook.

No they didn’t are you all in some kind of reality distortion field? At least read the article.

Not all of us, no. Or rather, yes and no.

I could as soon say to you, "At least go to Google News, search 'hunter laptop', scroll, read, and then think, if you can still manage it."

95% of you will just say "Well, this one isn't credible" or "That one is a right wing conspiracy theory." Or at least the ones emboldened to type replies will. So don't ask me to throw myself to you hyenas by linking specific sources. Google News isn't that many more clicks. I'll be busy holding my breath until the attorney general indicts his own direct reports and makes his own boss look worse.

What the FBI said may not technically have been a bold face lie. We don't have a transcript. It's a prime example of not letting the one hand know what the other is doing.

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Post by WillPostForFood »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #172
WillPostForFood wrote: post #171

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There is no effective difference. It is limiting distribution as much as restricting the number of newspapers the NY Times could sell. Or allowing free speech in a public square, but only allowing one person in at a time to hear the speech. Facebook didn't "not amplify it" they singled it out and suppressed it. They treated it differently, and negatively.

But censorship isn't about treating something differently. They have no duty to be neutral. Censorship is about preventing a certain kind of speech. They did not do this.

I don't really understand what you are saying. That if something isn't 100% blocked it isn't censored?

But censorship isn't about treating something differently.

Yes it is. Not just treating it differently, but treating it differently and negatively based on the content. Suppressing a story or speech based on the content.

They have no duty to be neutral.

Legally, no duty. Morally, I think most people would say Facebook has a duty to censor some things (child porn, live streams of killings, threats), and a duty to avoid censoring other things, like political speech, religious speech, etc.

Censorship is about preventing a certain kind of speech.

Yes. Preventing, suppressing, limiting, blocking. Any of those would be a form of censorship. It doesn't have to be 100% prevention, 100% blocked, or banned.

They did not do this.

They did. Mark Zuckerberg said the limited the distribution, that's suppression.

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Post by cf141q5325 »

lqpart wrote: post #348
cdnfren wrote: post #339

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There are tons of interviews and videos where he blames the U.S. and NATO for the war and sais that Ukraine must make concessions to the invaders, so yes that means being a supporter of the invasion and the regime that perpetrated it. If he is fully aware of the extent of the damage he is doing or it's just his misguided convictions, that's a different story.

So Mearsheimer, who went to West Point, is a "supporter of the invasion" as well? Ironically, these interpretations are a manifestation of manufactured consent! Anyone mentioning undesirable parts of history must be crushed!

Mearsheimers article for anyone curious (he goes a lot further then Chomsky) https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/11/john-mear...

In case of paywall: https://archive.ph/WFzxA

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Post by ttyprintk »

starkd wrote: post #498
hef19898 wrote: post #478

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And since those stories all utter BS, I'm ok with the flagging.

That's the point. Zuckerberg admits it was a mistake. Jack Dorsey admits it was a mistake. Be honest: you just favor the flagging because it upholds your opinion.

The difference between flagging and suppressing is a banner above the Facebook post saying “this story depends on Rudy Giuliani”.

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Post by hef19898 »

starkd wrote: post #498
hef19898 wrote: post #478

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And since those stories all utter BS, I'm ok with the flagging.

That's the point. Zuckerberg admits it was a mistake. Jack Dorsey admits it was a mistake. Be honest: you just favor the flagging because it upholds your opinion.

It upholds my opinion that journalism should, wt its core, be fact based. Otherwise it would be pure fiction, meaning propaganda. At least we moved on from "Hillary's E-Mails", so some progress.

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Post by someguydave »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #489
myko wrote: post #438

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There's no reason to prosecute her, though. She complied with all relevant requests and was following the steps of Colin Powell, her predecessor, with respect to how she set her email server up. The main difference between her and Powell is she attempted to preserve relevant emails for the government, while Powell recommended deleting them all. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/08/colin-powell...

Hillary's primary crime was destroying evidence weeks after it had been subpoenaed. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/oct/09/donald-tru... >Clinton’s staff received a subpoena for Benghazi-related emails March 4. An employee managing her server deleted 33,000 of Clinton’s emails three weeks later. The Politifact article then goes on to say the FBI didn't believe they were deleted for the purposes of avoiding…

I agree with this take. The more important issue is that there is no independent oversight on government secrecy, which is the underlying enabler of all of these "paperwork" claims.

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Post by ModernMech »

lodovic wrote: post #293
albertopv wrote: post #192

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2 billions to Jared Kushner evidence /sarcasm. Btw, I don't recall any other US president having classified and top secrets docs at home after leaving WH. It's now a NATO security issue, allies should be informed.

Every US president has done this. It's called "presidential archives" for the purpose of writing memoires.

NARA handles all docs as required by law, not former presidents. This talking point has been repeated over the last few weeks and has been debunked.

> Presidential libraries are managed by NARA, and the documents therein belong to the agency, which also manages related public records requests.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-obama-million-document...

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Post by random314 »

hef19898 wrote: post #477
arinlen wrote: post #394

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> He’s an academic,I don’t think he “supports” like it’s a ball team. Noam Chomsky is "an academic" in the field of linguistics and cognitive science. Outside of academia he's an activist, and one which is very vocal in his anti-US sentiment. This is not a negative trait. Free and open societies need contrarians and antagonists, as democratic regimes do not resist echo chambers. However, let's not pretend that just b…

As with all academics that gain fame, and then step outside their field of expertise, he started to look a tad stupid. Peterson is another example, as are those German "intelectuals" who also called for a Ukrainian surrender of sorts.

One could say the same about you. Or alternately, you could provide a reference to stupid statements by chomsky. He has been speaking for more than 60 years.

People don't become stupid if their world view doesn't match yours.

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Post by ModernMech »

beeboop wrote: post #490
mlazos wrote: post #213

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Nice way of deflecting blame there. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and he did it. He now got caught. It’s not like “hey nobody told me I couldn’t do this”, it’s why tf are you taking these documents sir. There’s no interpretation of reality which makes that an accident or oversight.

> Trump knew exactly what he was doing > There’s no interpretation of reality which makes that an accident or oversight. Source?

The recently released affidavit is the source for this. He was told to return the docs, claimed he returned them all, and in fact when the search was conducted it was found that he didn’t.

Trump was given 18 months to return them with multiple requests, attested through a lawyer in an affidavit that he did, and yet did not. Then when caught he has made claims that they were his documents and that’s why they were not returned. So far he hasn’t made any defense that is was an accident or an oversight. This shows the possession of the docs was willful, and intentionally not returning them was obstruction.

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