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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Post by astura »

xhxjcur wrote: post #366
keerthiko wrote: post #254

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I don't get it. Why did we ever consider the algorithms of private corporations as a fundamental or viable avenue for free speech to begin with? The owners and controllers of private algorithms will always have the ulterior motive(s) of protecting their interests. The fact that we (the software and information industry worldwide) have conditioned any society to think that algorithmic feeds are a representation of rea…

We didn't. Facebook used to just be a timeline feed of all your friends interactions. The day they changed to an algorithm is the day I said this crap is the end result and closed my account. I guess y'all missed the message.

Creating a throwaway account to brag about deleting your Facebook account really is peak HN.

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lqpart wrote: post #348
cdnfren wrote: post #339

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There are tons of interviews and videos where he blames the U.S. and NATO for the war and sais that Ukraine must make concessions to the invaders, so yes that means being a supporter of the invasion and the regime that perpetrated it. If he is fully aware of the extent of the damage he is doing or it's just his misguided convictions, that's a different story.

So Mearsheimer, who went to West Point, is a "supporter of the invasion" as well? Ironically, these interpretations are a manifestation of manufactured consent! Anyone mentioning undesirable parts of history must be crushed!

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Post by arinlen »

hef19898 wrote: post #477
arinlen wrote: post #394

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> He’s an academic,I don’t think he “supports” like it’s a ball team. Noam Chomsky is "an academic" in the field of linguistics and cognitive science. Outside of academia he's an activist, and one which is very vocal in his anti-US sentiment. This is not a negative trait. Free and open societies need contrarians and antagonists, as democratic regimes do not resist echo chambers. However, let's not pretend that just b…

As with all academics that gain fame, and then step outside their field of expertise, he started to look a tad stupid. Peterson is another example, as are those German "intelectuals" who also called for a Ukrainian surrender of sorts.

> As with all academics that gain fame, and then step outside their field of expertise, he started to look a tad stupid.

Chomsky's political opinions aren't stupid per se, they are simply his personal opinions.

What's indeed mind-numbingly stupid is this notion that just because someone is paid by a university to dedicate his time to research a specific topic, such as linguistics, that somehow that makes that person an infallible authority in any conceivable topic, including highly subjective ones like politics.

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Post by dinom »

naasking wrote: post #460
dinom wrote: post #405

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Is Facebook the public square all of a sudden? I thought it was a private company.

Privately owned public squares exist.

Rest assured that next time I'm arrested for trespassing I won't be calling you for legal advice.

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Post by kcplate »

notahacker wrote: post #285
kcplate wrote: post #83

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So what’s in the laptop that doesn’t truly matter is real, but the information in the laptop that does truly matter is fake? That’s quite a pragmatic approach. For what it’s worth, the NYT and the Feds have acknowledged the laptop and the data on it is quite real. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-...

They have acknowledged that some of the data on it is quite real, and were able to verify many emails. As your link confirms, they also found that folders with names like "Biden Burisma" and "Salacious Pics Package" were added in September 2020...

There is nothing I can see in that NYT article that mentions those folder names and consequently that they were added in September 2020

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Post by onos »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #186

But on the other hand trump is/was a danger to society and democracy. I'm happy the story was censored, given that it still seems like a non story (no real crime committed afaik) And I fully understand the issues with my statement, the hypocrisy of it and the slippery slope nature of the act, but I do think some extreme cases do require bending the rules.

I think this is one of the most honest takes here from a person supporting what happened, and so appreciate this comment.

I don’t agree this event was justified. Further I think it caused a lot of damage to our country by very significantly lessening institutional and societal trust: fairness of elections (not questioning here the actual vote counting, but the seemingly-partisan silencing of damaging info on one favored candidate), whether politically biased individuals can be trusted to treat those in other camps honestly and fairly.

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Post by starkd »

hef19898 wrote: post #478
starkd wrote: post #373

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I remember the laptop story being flagged right here on HN the day it came out. Before it was flagged, many insisted it was a BS story. Links to the Tucker Carlson interview of Tony Bobulinski's connection to the Biden family were also flagged. There's a serious problem with group-think in online communities.

And since those stories all utter BS, I'm ok with the flagging.

That's the point. Zuckerberg admits it was a mistake. Jack Dorsey admits it was a mistake. Be honest: you just favor the flagging because it upholds your opinion.

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Post by Consultant32452 »

motoboi wrote: post #319
Consultant32452 wrote: post #157

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> A large group of the country's richest and most powerful people colluded to change voting rules all across the country for the purpose of achieving a specific desired outcome in an election. I thought you were talking about gerrymandering.

Like redrawing electoral districts, no one changes election laws because they are a good person. Everyone who redraws electoral districts and changes election laws claims it's because they are a good person.

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Post by fareesh »

prof-dr-ir wrote: post #342
fareesh wrote: post #309

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One could simply support a candidate for their choice of SCOTUS judges or recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel or opposition to TPP. It's not necessary that a voter endorses everything that the candidate has ever done in their life. I find this standard to be largely driven by the media. The President has a governing role, and different people are affected by it differently. If he is a terribly rude and…

You are trying to make the point I was anticipating. One might have been a supporter of someone like Trump or Cuomo for all kinds of reasons, but for many it's simply over once a certain line is crossed. As I said, it is a difficult point to argue against because their transgressions concern what many consider really basic values.

I could see this kind of luxury when there is a plurality of candidates but can one afford this when the presidential election in the USA is A choice between two opposites?
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