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Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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Green without a proper plan? Germany/Europe will be the green poster children on how not to do it. Guess who will damage the environment more in the end.

Germany has been exporting electricity to France all summer, because they had to shut down more than half their nuclear power plants for maintenance and due to heat.

Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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North of Norway has almost free electricity while the south is quite expensive. The only link between the two regions are through Sweden for now. A new power line will connect the two regions in Norway eventually. So the north will pay more and the south the same since everything will be absorbed by other European countries.

The electricity companies in the south also follow well the business strategy of privatising the benefits and socialising the losses. The water level in the lakes in the south are too low especially considering the difficult winter to come, yet they sometimes empty them to export to Scotland to make money now.

It’s a bit annoying but at least I get push notifications when the price is very high or very low.

Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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I've read somewhere that Czechs (day ahead price of 463EUR/MWh) produce electricity at 0.1EUR/MWh, then sell it to an exchange in Germany and buy it back for the "market" price. Somebody over there is getting extremely rich for no reason and I am wondering why nobody is doing anything about it...

You must have omitted something in your example because it makes no sense. >Czechs produce electricity at 0.1EUR/MWh so far so good. Now you have -0.1EUR and 1MWh of power. >then sell it to an exchange in Germany suppose the market price is 400EUR. after selling it to an exchange you have 399.9EUR and 0 MWh of power >and buy it back for the "market" price. so you buy it back at the market price. Now you have -0.1EUR…

There are several energy markets, not just one. The most energy is bought and sold on private contracts on very long term. Then there is the "next-day" market, which is what this app shows. Then there is an hourly market to match instant demand and supply variations.

It is possible Czech producers sold energy to Germany for a very low price a few years ago on a let's say 5 year contract which is still valid. Now Czech Republic needs to buy at a high price the energy from Germany because it cannot meet its own demand. Again, this is speculation on how that could work.

Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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Green without a proper plan? Germany/Europe will be the green poster children on how not to do it. Guess who will damage the environment more in the end.

No matter what magic plan anyone comes up with it would take years to implement. Nuclear, more insulation, hydrogen, new gas fields. It's almost winter already.

More insulation is double edge sword. I moved into a super-energy-efficient house here in north/east Europe. Heating in winter is damn cheap. But retention works in summer too… so I had to get air conditioner :( And electrical ventilation is a must all year round to get air fresh, keep module at bay ant not loose energy living with open windows. Energy saving in bottom line will be abysmal :(

Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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Remember that, while prices have soared, electricity generation has not become more expensive. The "electricity crisis" is a crisis for European consumers but a massive windfall for producers. This is a market failure - not an electricity failure.

Can anybody explain why that is? Why a country that generates 99+% of its own electricity like UK is seeing price increases? Everybody blames the war, but AFAIK UK imports 1% of its gas from Russia, and its electricity is generated locally, so why are prices increasing? I would expect grain and wheat to increase 500%, not power.

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Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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I have no clue about Czechia but that’s basically happening in Austria. Austria mainly produces energy from renewables which did not go up in price buy since the price on the exchanges is determined by the most expensive source we still pay exorbitant prices. Producers are making all the money right now.

which would give more producers (and wana-be-producers) the incentive to invest in renewables to take a piece of that profit pie. Doesnt seem like a bad outcome tbh.

Considering most Europeans won’t be able to afford electricity and there is no increased investments into renewables as a result of this insanity it looks like an abysmal outcome. In fact it’s so bad that very likely it will slowly set into motion all kinds of bad workarounds that will utterly destroy the economy.

Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why nobody is doing anything about it > I've read somewhere Before wondering why someone, somewhere is not doing something, confirm that the thing is actually happening in the first place.

OK, what's the truth then? I am not an expert on this, though just today I saw some LinkedIn post of some trader explaining merit price on energy market and in the chart the nuclear power was two orders of magnitude cheaper than gas/combined power but the final price was at the level of gas/combined power.

In Spain (and according to a sister comment, in Austria too, so maybe it's EU-wide) the price of every MWh is set by the last MWh that enters the market (apparently it works like an auction). The last to be sold is the most expensive, thus renewables are being priced like combined due to this rule. In fact there was some scandal in Spain I seem to remember because apparently energy companies were doing the expected according to the incentives set, which is manipulating production so that combined is always used, increasing profit by doing nothing.

Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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To put this into context: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas I call this “the Greta curve”.

You do you, but it has little to do with her? Specifically, Greta Thunberg had nothing to do with invading Ukraine or, if we want to ignore the most obvious cause, the decision to phase out nuclear power.

Re: Day ahead electricity prices for EU

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Current spot price in northern Norway is €10.16/MWh, while it is €745.08/MWh in southern Norway (73x the price), largely due to limitations in transport networks between the electricity zones. The price in the northern zone is so low that some hydro plants have stopped producing electricity as they would be losing money at the current price level. https://www.skandiaenergi.no/dagens-spotpriser/ Electricity Maps has a…

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