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SpaceX, T-Mobile to connect satellites to cellphones in remote areas

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Post by ericd »

kelnos wrote: post #222
bottlepalm wrote: post #193

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Even in its current state with FSD beta my car drives itself 95% of the time.

I'm not sure what software was present on this random Lyft I took a couple months ago, but I was seated in the front, watching Tesla's infotainment screen the entire ride, which on one side was displaying a sort of wireframe (not the right word, but they weren't realistic drawings) of objects in front of and around the car as we were driving. I was alarmed to see how often pedestrians, and even cars passing while wai…

That sounds like it was probably the standard Tesla display, rather than the FSD Beta display? My understanding is that it's a very different system. But yeah, the standard display has pretty laughable object persistence.

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Post by erikpukinskis »

jupp0r wrote: post #240
fragmede wrote: post #35

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Satellite phone Internet previously existed, it's just crazy expensive.

It’s $10 per month for my Garmin InReach which gives you emergency comms and let’s you upgrade to unlimited SMS and some other stuff for $60. I use it a lot and it’s very reasonable. Runs on Iridium.

I have a Garmin InReach too, but to say it’s “satellite phone internet” is a stretch. You can send little blips of data. There’s no phone service. Nor is there any internet service.

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Post by TMWNN »

arbuge wrote: post #55

More detail here: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/spacex-and-t-mobile-team-up-... "T-Mobile users will be able to use messaging, MMS and certain messaging apps, from remote points across the lower 48 states, Alaska, Puerto Rico and Hawaii and even some remote points in the water. Eventually, the service will work with voice, Sievert said. T-Mobile plans to include the service in its most popular mobile plans but did…

>T-Mobile plans to include the service in its most popular mobile plans but did not disclose specific pricing.

Hopefully this includes $20 Kickstart!

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Post by nomay »

ceeplusplus wrote: post #12
andrewmunsell wrote: post #8

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No, it's the latter of what you mentioned-- direct cell to SpaceX satellites

I thought existing Starlink needed a phased array antenna to get decent signal strength. How the hell is a cell phone radio going to reach a satellite?

I'd assume they included a cheap rudimentary cell antenna on the back side.

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Post by yurishimo »

vineyardmike wrote: post #249
bhauer wrote: post #163

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If you are right, T-Mobile's effort to get Apple onboard with making the necessary changes to separate iMessage payload from regular cell data on these special low-bandwidth space-cells could be a challenge.

They figured it out for the free inflight wifi that allows messaging.

That isn't anything special. Every smartphone can send SMS over wifi. You need to connect to the in-flight wifi to use the service. The router on the plane has a hole in the firewall that allows unpaid users to access the specific HTTP server to send and receive SMS messages. Absolutely nothing special about it.

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Post by vlovich123 »

thepasswordis wrote: post #259
vlovich123 wrote: post #256

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And your existing Tesla can do FSD with its current sensor package. Any day now.

My current Tesla started doing FSD almost a year ago.

Let me clarify. Musk claimed 6 years ago [1] that shipping Teslas would be capable of Level 5 autonomy. While Tesla’s markets their feature as “full self driving” it’s a far cry from even level 3 afaik.

It’s kind of sad people fall for this. It also has lethal consequences as people assume it can do things it very well can’t (cruise control+ is really what the feature is). It’s a very obvious grift and SEC and FTC regulators have apparently been asleep at the wheel to enforce it. Wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a shareholder lawsuit at some point. Certainly if the stock collapses once someone beats Tesla to level 5.

[1] https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-tesla-models-will-featur...

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Post by [deleted] »

mlindner wrote: post #253
tshaddox wrote: post #234

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> "most likely" and "I would expect" mean basically the same thing And so does just saying the claim with no qualifiers. Of course when you’re making a claim you’re expressing that you expect it to be the case with high likelihood. That’s what making a claim is.

I have no idea what you're saying. My ONLY point was that it wasn't unknown pricing data, it was stated to be free.

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Post by expensive_news »

mlindner wrote: post #200
jacquesm wrote: post #151

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Most of us here would dream of being that effective. He's a jerk though, that's the part the world could do without and with him now firmly in the Trump camp we'll see what kind of long term misery will come from that. I can't stand it when immigrants into a country become champions for the anti-immigration party, it's the moral equivalent of kicking the door shut behind you.

> with him now firmly in the Trump camp we'll see what kind of long term misery will come from that. [citation needed]. I guess you missed the news of Trump completely lambasting Elon? Trump is no friend of Elon. Nor is Elon a friend of Trump. Elon is a centrist, not far right.

To add, Elon actually accepted an advisory position for Trump when he became President, but quit less than 6 months in after voicing his disagreement on leaving the Paris Agreement. [1]

That’s exactly the opposite of being in the Trump camp.

[1] https://fortune.com/2017/06/01/elon-musk-trump-paris-agreeme...

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Post by signatoremo »

jacquesm wrote: post #151
mplewis wrote: post #110

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Most of us here would dream of being that effective. He's a jerk though, that's the part the world could do without and with him now firmly in the Trump camp we'll see what kind of long term misery will come from that. I can't stand it when immigrants into a country become champions for the anti-immigration party, it's the moral equivalent of kicking the door shut behind you.

He is not a champion for anti immigration. Where did you get that impression?

Musk is also not in Trump’s camp [0]. He is centrist and libertarian, and he doesn’t have to cater to any particular political party.

[0] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-12/musk-says...

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Post by danellis »

arbuge wrote: post #55

More detail here: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/spacex-and-t-mobile-team-up-... "T-Mobile users will be able to use messaging, MMS and certain messaging apps, from remote points across the lower 48 states, Alaska, Puerto Rico and Hawaii and even some remote points in the water. Eventually, the service will work with voice, Sievert said. T-Mobile plans to include the service in its most popular mobile plans but did…

Interesting. Is there no distance limit? I don't know how 5G works, but in 2G there was a limit of about 30km, since that's as much as the timing advance would allow for (sending the signal early so that it arrives in its timeslot despite the speed-of-light delay).
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