Korea shatters its own record for world’s lowest fertility rate • Hacker News Board

Re: Korea shatters its own record for world’s lowest fertility rate

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Post by lotsofpulp » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:08 PM UTC

ryanSrich wrote: post #536

lotsofpulp wrote: post #513

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>Routine newborn vaccines are around $900 per visit even with partial insurance coverage. Per ACA, all routine newborn care (including vaccines and routine blood draw) is 100% paid by insurance company. The specifics are all listed in the links below. https://www.healthcare.gov/preventive-care-children/ https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/preventive-care-benefits... >Not to mention any unforeseen hospital visits that…

Unfortunately that’s not exactly how it works. We don’t have a marketplace plan, so our insurance has no responsibility to pay for anything really. The link you shared says this. “All Marketplace health plans and many other plans must cover the following list of preventive services for children without charging you a copayment or coinsurance. This is true even if you haven’t met your yearly deductible.” Maximum out o…

By purchasing insurance not compliant with marketplace regulations, one chooses to pay less in premiums in exchange for accepting the risk of paying more at point/time of care.

>Maximum out of pocket only kicks in once you’ve hit the deductible on 2+ family members, at least for our plan. So for us, the max is $20k.

Out of pocket maximum has nothing to do with deductible. Copays/coinsurance “kick in” after deductibles are reached.

If you had purchased ACA complaint health insurance, then OOP max is simply OOP max, a single number that once you reach, you do not pay further for in network services (and now for out of network emergency services also).

Edit: note that a “Marketplace” (or ACA complaint) plan explicitly transfers wealth from young and/or healthy to old and/or unhealthy, where healthy and unhealthy mean “does not need healthcare” and “needs healthcare”. So by choosing to go with a non Marketplace plan, they are placing their bets on not needing healthcare…which is probably not a winning bet for people birthing and raising young children.

Re: Korea shatters its own record for world’s lowest fertility rate

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Post by seydor » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:16 PM UTC

12907835202 wrote: post #508

seydor wrote: post #464

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> booming populations in Africa will likely offset much of the working population Not really , as they don't do today, because they are not educated , and there is not enough time to wait for second-generation immigrants. Also, africans have no obligation to become subservient again to the developed world via immigration.

You can't really compare today to the future if the population is meant to increase exponentially... By 2050 it could be the most populated country in the world, the idea that, that population wouldn't immigrate especially when other countries will be in desperate need of workers seems absurd. Especially when, as you say, they will be uneducated and that education will likely be available in those nations. I'm a bit…

Immigrants are cheap labor for europe and the US, even though it's not commonly admitted. Emigrating is not the only option for those countries. For example china, due to its development, did not end up with massive waves of emigration.

Re: Korea shatters its own record for world’s lowest fertility rate

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Post by missedthecue » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

sidewndr46 wrote: post #501

missedthecue wrote: post #409

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Try to bribe a police officer in the US next time you get pulled over at a traffic stop. Try to bribe the immigration officer at any US airport. My congressman's office didn't even let me give him a small non-cash thank you gift basket when he resolved a very sensitive and urgent administrative matter with my visa.

I'm more concerned that a congressman was able to "fix" an issue with a visa than I am with someone taking bribes. Bribes implies quid pro quo. Someone who can "fix" some implies an exclusive network of favors traded with no record.

Basically what happened was that the USPS lost my passport in the mail a few days before I was supposed to move overseas. I called his office and they were able to lean on the The Department of State to have a new one printed up and issued to me within 48 hours. How he did it, I don't know, but I assume getting a call from a sitting congressman lights the proverbial fire under the ass of paper pushers at the Department of State.

I had never met, spoken with, or donated to my congressman before this took place.

Re: Korea shatters its own record for world’s lowest fertility rate

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Post by missedthecue » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

lr4444lr wrote: post #512

strangegecko wrote: post #488

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I think your HVAC friend may actually be earning more than your attorneys. Unless you're in a prestigious law firm, they don't make all that much. And HVAC is so high in demand these days that they can raise prices to the moon and still be booked for months in advance.

Also unstated: does the HVAC guy's wife work?

no, stay at home mom.

Re: Korea shatters its own record for world’s lowest fertility rate

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Post by HFguy » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:19 PM UTC

yomkippur wrote: post #256

phlipski wrote: post #184

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father of twins (10 Y/O) via medical help here. 10 years ago our doctor said, "30 years ago the natural rate of twins was 3 sets per 1000 births. Now it's 3 sets per 100 births". After a quick search I couldn't find any data supporting a 10x increase in twins over the past 40 years but plenty of articles showing something closer to a 2x increase in the rate of twin births. I suspect the rate of twins amongst our peer…

WOW. that is a huge jump. what is going on? twins are generally not favored in Korean culture I believe, not sure what the attitude is outside of it.

It is from IVF.

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:33 PM UTC

ericmay wrote: post #534

lettergram wrote: post #268

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> If people are intentionally trying to limit births, why would that lead to a large amount of fertility procedures? Those fertility procedures are not the desired way to go about having a baby. The vast majority of the time it's a procedure of last resort (i.e. can't get pregnant another way). These procedures are expensive and often don't work. It could be intentional that a government, organization or pharmaceutic…

> It could be intentional that a government, organization or pharmaceutical / chemical company is knowingly sterilizing / making it more difficult to conceive. This could either be through a willingness to look the other way (i.e. a side effect) or intentional (North Korea for instance may do some sabotage or government is intentionally pushing population reduction) For others reading, remember that no evidence is be…

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Re: Korea shatters its own record for world’s lowest fertility rate

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Post by collegeburner » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 2:58 PM UTC

Thorrez wrote: post #247

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Not to detract, but "one kid" would only make the problem worse because a woman needs to give birth to at least two children in order for population counts at large to maintain parity. That is, one kid per woman halves the population. If the axiom is at least maintaining, ideally growing the population, every woman needs to give birth to at least two and ideally three or more kids. Of course, this isn't to say I'm te…

I don't understand. How is 1 biological kid worse than 0 biological kids? It sounds like decafninja is likely planning on having 0 biological kids.

from what i've seen only children tend to grow up more spoiled and with worse social and coping skills.

Re: Korea shatters its own record for world’s lowest fertility rate

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Post by collegeburner » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

irrational wrote: post #82

thunderbird120 wrote: post #71

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>Wanna guess what happens in that welcoming environment? My guess is people feel inclined to make some babies. I would assume the exact opposite given that this will probably probably crank up pressure on working-aged people as more and more old people need to be supported by fewer and fewer young. I would also assume a significant exodus of the young to places with actual opportunities rather than a country sized re…

This was my exact same though while reading OP's comment. Taxes will go way up since the number of people having to support all the old people will be fewer and fewer. The increased taxes will cause people to have fewer and fewer children. It's a vicious cycle.

we have the same kind of situation in America just a little behind, so here are my thoughts "as a young person": none of my peers want to pay for that. we're not going to sit around letting old people leech from us instead of working. and at the end of the day younger people hold more physical power and more working ability so we will have the final say regardless of how many old people there are to vote themselves our $. i expect that if they try this a couple things might happen:

1. young people leave for better states

2. young people outvote old people (not likely)

3. young people refuse to pay and force the government to raise the social security age to 83.

i hope it's 3. in 1935 the average life expectancy was 60 to a social security age of 65, so 1.08 times the life expectancy. the life expectancy now is 77, so keep the same 1.08 times and we have a minimum age of about 83.

it really baffles me how the same generation that talks about how "millennials and gen z wont work hard" literally wants to force us to pay for their retirement. they had 65 years to save up money, they can pay for it themselves.

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Post by floxy » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 3:28 PM UTC

sendfoods wrote: post #456

creakingstairs wrote: post #311

I've been meaning to write about this for a while, but this does not surprise me in the least. The life in Korea is way too competitive and stressful. The hellscape begins in pre-school and primary school where parents make kids go to private school AFTER school, often till late evenings. This progressively gets worse and worse until university. In my father's generation, people could relax after getting into univers…

What has changed since your grandparents generation? Where did this (need for?) competitiveness come from?

Might a contributing factor be the older generation saw in their lifetime the change from extreme poverty to relative wealth brought about by the industriousness of the population?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_on_the_Han_River#/medi...

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Post by elteto » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 3:34 PM UTC

verisimi wrote: post #532

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The problem is that there is not much to “talk” about. Do you have scientific evidence in the form of published papers in scientific journals? That is the baseline here. If anything, the problem with vaccines and why it has become politicized is that there’s too many people “talking” about it. Talk. Talk. Talk. But zero scientific discourse.

See my comment above, but I don't have faith even in scientific journals. Science, academia, media, etc are beholden to corporate interests as is the governance structure. The world we live in is bent - legislation, funding, the 'reality' presentation is all bent to serve corporate-governmental control.

Faith? That’s your problem right there.